Change my view, challenge me if you will. — obscurelaunting
Yet, when a friend changes and no longer offers what they used to offer, its easy for them to be discarded immediately. — obscurelaunting
While this may appear to be the ultimate character of kindness and goodness, it can be said that there are underlying motives such as the feeling of a sense of proudness of their sacrifice and feeling as they are achieving their 'purpose' which in itself is selfish. — obscurelaunting
As for sacrificing lives, they would not sacrifice their life for one unless they have afterlife beliefs that ensure their safety. — obscurelaunting
My last scenario is the 360 turn to hatred and everything that is not 'love' when there is a sense of loss of what one had that they can't get back. Their new hatred forms their next selfish action such as killing their wife and children. This is selfish as there is no concern for his family and the family's selfish wants. — obscurelaunting
Change my view, challenge me if you will. — obscurelaunting
You are right in observing that a definition of "love" is wanted as a premise for the OP's argument. The incompatible ideas that "there is no love, only selfish acts which appear to show love", and (your consideration that) "love can be selfish" are only able to exist in an environment wherein love remains inadequately defined. Definition is key in philosophy, as is shown by the history: Schopenhauer's "will" and Nietzsche's "will" are different things. @obscurelaunting? This is your cue for a statement of your pretextual definition of "love".‘Love’ can be both ‘selfish’ and ‘selfless’. — I like sushi
There is nothing money or power can't buy or acquire and that includes "love" but tim wood would caution caveat emptor. — TheMadFool
I don’t think I agree. Your post seems to be focused solely on cognition, whereas “love” is clearly an emotion. Cliched or not, we hear of occurrences like “love at first sight” where one person instantly, and not premeditatedly, feels love for another person. The “X therefore Y” logic you mention is completely lacking in these, and possibly other, situations. — Pinprick
Both of which is love but with opposite "positivity", which exactly describes the world we live in, and therefore it's incorrect to say love does not exist.‘Love’ can be both ‘selfish’ and ‘selfless’. — I like sushi
Let's start by saying an animal's natural instinct and sole purpose is to protect itself, where then animal's evolved to work with others as it ensured greater survival. This survival mechanism is seen today as society is founded on the principles of contributing and dwelling on making the world a better place for their own survival. Nonetheless, this is seen in relationships most importantly; friends are chosen on a basis of resembling similar or desired values, interests and attitudes. Yet, when a friend changes and no longer offers what they used to offer, its easy for them to be discarded immediately. This same discardment occurs between family members also. — obscurelaunting
I pose the argument that everything humans do is for their personal gain and that 'love' doesn't exist. — obscurelaunting
Most probably you mean a 180 turn, because a 360 turn doesn't change anything: you get back to the same point where you were! :smile:My last scenario is the 360 turn to hatred — obscurelaunting
You're just looking at it backwards: the story contains the words. The capacity for love is constructed of proteins — Artemis
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