They are angry, because their LOGICAL arguments, which they find infallible, fall on deaf ears by the religious. If god can't be good and all seeing and all powerful, why do the religious insist god is, is what angers atheists — god must be atheist
Which then falls full circle with the Epicurean Paradox. Huh. It seems we've been angered by our religious counterparts for quite some time now. — john27
More here than meets the eye. For Aristotle there apparently was no science as we might understand it. "Putting nature to the question," was still almost 2000 years in his future. Nor was nature something that could be questioned on the basis of their understanding, because nature was by them understood to be a world of imprecision. Plato found requisite precision in ideals, Pythagoreans in numbers - neither in nature. So far as nature was concerned, then, their knowledge was in a sense, and necessarily, a blank book. Which of course is not entirely true: we were told in our Astronomy 101 class that the Greeks were aware of precession, "Historically, the discovery of the precession of the equinoxes is usually attributed in the West to the 2nd-century-BC astronomer Hipparchus." (Wiki.) If you do not know what precession is, research and be amazed.Did he/do we have a choice? What's the alternative to being practical? Bury our heads in the sand/clouds? — Agent Smith
Maybe nature perfect and models "messy"? And whether or not the math must be perfect maybe an open question? — tim wood
No it has not. Just because you say so it does not make it true. Maybe you believe that, and kudos to you, I'm happy for you. But in logical grounds it has not been defeated, but, in fact, supported.
Stop saying it has been defeated when it has not. — god must be atheist
yes it has been defeated, as the reasons i stated.
and you offer no counter argument to those reasons — Miller
I missed the counter arguments you say you'd stated. I'll revisit this tomorrow or later tonight. I'm really curious to see those arguments you say exist. — god must be atheist
Any physical creation is going to contain good and bad. — Miller
Free will can only choose evil if the evil choice is a valid option. If a creator who was INFINITELY good, created the world, there would be no such choices possible. After all, he is INFINITELY powerful so he could have created that world.Evil done by humans happens because of free-will and there is justice in the afterlife. — Miller
And don't assume god does not feel every bit of pain we feel along with us. — Miller
There could be conceivably a physical creation that is all good. — god must be atheist
impossble. and even if it was possible you wouldnt want it — Miller
How do you know what your God feels?
— god must be atheist
dont assume he doenst — Miller
The problem is that GOD can imagine and create such a world. He is ALL POWERFUL, — god must be atheist
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