Yes, I am asking if the change in a woman's social responsibility is for the better or worse. Now like T Clark, I have my concerns about saying what is on my mind but if I don't, this thread is pointless. — Athena
That doesn't hold for me as a generalization. If someone shot me in the spine, I would blame them for that and certainly some of my misfortune. One can blame others AND then make the best of the situation. I don't think serfs being wiped out by Mao or Stalin would have been wrong to blame their misfortune on those guys. Of if society were to move towards a dictorship and speaking up gets you killed. I can blame justifiably those who are pulling stuff AND also do the best I can given the effects of the work of evil people.The essence of adulthood is that you don't blame other people for your misfortune. — T Clark
What do you see as the difference between blame and holding someone responsible.Both of them take responsibility for their own lives. Neither blames the people who abused them, although they do hold them responsible. — T Clark
Do you really have to ask??? — baker
Well, I'll warrant I don't have much knowledge on this topic, but i'll give it a shot.
my general idea is that its not necessarily only a woman's social responsibility that has altered; I would say that the average idea of "family" has changed, or in any case has lost a veritable amount of importance. Human artificial insemination, rising rates of sterilization amongst men, I think theres even a human clone in china somewhere... not sure, but it would seem that the word family is definitely decreasing in value. Personally, I wouldn't be able to say whether its for the better or for the worse, seeing that my belief around family is obviously biased.
Who knows? Maybe in the future we'll see family as a terrible and archaic form of human development. Only time will tell I guess. — john27
I can't see a problem with someone who is sexually abused blaming someone who abused them. — Bylaw
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hmm...I think this is a really difficult question, with a lot of different sides, and maybe no good one answer. Again, I don't have a lot of info on the topic, so I'm just going to relate my thoughts on what I've heard on the radio and whatnot.
I think its important to note that the loss of importance of family comes from a lot of different sectors.
For example gender dysphoria: A rising mental condition that makes some girls physically feel that they belong more in a guys body. I don't suppose that they would be particularly receptive to oxytocin, or stimulation via maternal instinct if they felt more physically inclined to be a man. So perhaps if we could conclude that a variant expression of oxytocin exists within woman in general, it definitely would not be hard to believe that some women just feel less inclined/binded to maternal instincts like other girls would be.
Theres also scientific advancement. I think were getting to a point where now you can actually choose the eye colour of your child, hair colour, specific immunities against certain disabilities etc... we may eventually come to a point where its more cost effective to just make a baby in a lab, then go through the natural process.
Overall ignorance might be a point too. Since celibacy is gaining traction, some people don't know exactly how powerful the sentiments are after having a kid. How it completely takes over your life.
They might just view the practical/physical aspects of it, and go, "meh, not for me. Costs too much."
Finally there's just the fact that there are too many people on earth! I think men are less incentivized to have babies when they know they might contribute to the overpopulation of earth.
Now does/would all this contribute to the devaluation of a woman?
Well depends on how you would define one. I think gender is a really complicated issue right now in terms of definition, and in my belief I think it might be better to restate the question to how can we sustain the individual, who NEEDS maternal instinct to validate themselves? If one day family is out of the picture, how can we still stay connected?
Do these advancements destroy family fidelity?
Well yeah. Now you have to define yourself by yourself, whether you want to or not. — john27
Can hormones affect gender identity?
The hormonal theory of sexuality and gender identity holds that, just as exposure to certain hormones plays a role in fetal sex differentiation, such exposure also influences the sexual orientation and or gender identity that emerges later in the adult.
Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation - Wikipedia — Wikipedia
Could you rephrase this. I saidThat is not how either understands their act of abuse unless they are aware of being angry and wanting to hurt the other person — Athena
I think some people do frame their sexual interaction with an adult when they were a child as sexual abuse. I think they would also say they blame the person in some way or other. So, I am not sure what you mean by it not being 'how either understands their act of abuse...'I can't see a problem with someone who is sexually abused blaming someone who abused them. — Bylaw
And some of them have blame, the young men and the adults they become, especially if they were very young.I am including females as sexual predators, because of news stories of female teachers lusting for a young male student and acting on it. — Athena
I have no idea how you got here or what this has to do with what I wrote.How many men fake a climax to make the woman feel good and to stop the action that is not appealing because the hormone level is not where it needs to be to enjoy sex? — Athena
I don't think I was hysterical. I don't think your response makes much sense as a response to my post A young man who rapes someone in the way you describe is a very dangerous person but I guess I kinda hope he watches the guy who wants to be killed and eaten by that German guy before he meets you. You won't have any blame for him or complaints if he kills and eats you. He will have thought you wanted it. It would be hysterical of you to think his behavior was blameworthy even if he starts eating first before the kill.If we think of nature we might be a little less hysterical about the behavior and behave according to nature's rules, instead of flaunting the rules and then crying about the man's act of nature. :monkey: — Athena
That is not how either understands their act of abuse unless they are aware of being angry and wanting to hurt the other person
— Athena
Could you rephrase this. I said
I can't see a problem with someone who is sexually abused blaming someone who abused them.
— Bylaw
I think some people do frame their sexual interaction with an adult when they were a child as sexual abuse. I think they would also say they blame the person in some way or other. So, I am not sure what you mean by it not being 'how either understands their act of abuse...'
I am including females as sexual predators, because of news stories of female teachers lusting for a young male student and acting on it.
— Athena
And some of them have blame, the young men and the adults they become, especially if they were very young.
I don't see how 'blame' is inappropriate as a rule.
How many men fake a climax to make the woman feel good and to stop the action that is not appealing because the hormone level is not where it needs to be to enjoy sex?
— Athena
I have no idea how you got here or what this has to do with what I wrote.
If we think of nature we might be a little less hysterical about the behavior and behave according to nature's rules, instead of flaunting the rules and then crying about the man's act of nature. :monkey:
— Athena
I don't think I was hysterical. I don't think your response makes much sense as a response to my post A young man who rapes someone in the way you describe is a very dangerous person but I guess I kinda hope he watches the guy who wants to be killed and eaten by that German guy before he meets you. You won't have any blame for him or complaints if he kills and eats you. He will have thought you wanted it. It would be hysterical of you to think his behavior was blameworthy even if he starts eating first before the kill. — Bylaw
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