St. Augustine also prayed to God to make him chaste -- but not yet. A similar statement was made by Martin Luther -- "sin boldly, but let your trust in Christ be stronger" (edited for brevity) — BC
I read about the ethics of love in a book on situational ethics (by Fletcher?). Yes, if one decides to get out of the box, to drop the 10 commandments, the list of laws in the Pentateuch, or Hammurabi's code, and let love be one's guide, one pretty much has to think out of the box, at least to get one bearings. — BC
The people like Dorothy Day whose life I find admirable and inspiring, may have been guided by simple Christian love, but they also dug deep into Christian tradition for more specific guidance, and found it. — BC
If any of you have thought through this issue and have come to make sense of it in your own spiritual walks, I would love to hear any analogies or descriptions that have helped you to make sense of this confusing element of the nature of God. — tryhard
I know the story of Lilith from a Neil Gaiman comic book actually. Adam rejected her because he witnessed all her innards coming together and was grossed out by it. — Watchmaker
Fine, and the counter point is be as crystal clear and honest when you make statements about your beliefs of you will be misinterpreted, which is YOUR fault if you are unable to explain you belief sufficiently, to the average, reasonable, lay person. — universeness
My humanity and my empathy towards my fellow humans and my support of standards such as the golden rule. — universeness
The judgement of your fellows who hopefully would label you a selfish, nasty individualist who only cares about himself and you would also be wrong, imo, as the result could be that you are more ostracised from your community. — universeness
Hypothetical projections can be useful, especially in leading edge science when 'brain storming.'
Hypotheticals on the issue of human morality are almost utterly useless. Judgement on a case by case basis is the best approach imo. — universeness
A religious judiciary is utterly vile. Would you like to be judged based on biblical or sharia codes? — universeness
YOU mostly avoid offering ANY worthwhile detail, regarding these questions. — universeness
? If you do feel that way about your children, do you not extent that to the children of other humans and other humans themselves? Do you need conformation from your god, that you are being moral, if you value your children in this way or can the conformation of secular humanists such as myself, replace any need you have for supernatural conformation (which you will never receive anyway!)? — universeness
Yeah, especially for the nefarious elite! and those who wish to become one of them. Capitalism certainly does not work, at all, for the vast majority of the currently over 8 billion stakeholders on this planet. — universeness
Sorry but some of your responses are just absolutely absurd and perhaps even sinister. — universeness
I say capitalism is morally correct — Hanover
you are morally corrupt. — Hanover
I really don't know, and all I can do is self report what I feel. — Watchmaker
These statements seem to contradict. What evidence do you have that this being exists? You claim to KNOW, but you have not evidenced HOW you know.All I know is that there is a being who exists and was not created. — Watchmaker
Follow your own logic, if you as a mere mortal have limited ability to comprehend, then you DONT KNOW "that there is a being who exists and was not created," You might have been totally duped, fooled, conned into following the dictates of those who wish to use you to promote their BS and enhance their status, power and personal wealth. They promise you great reward, AFTER YOU ARE DEAD!!!!! :lol: :halo:and myself being a mere mortal with limited ability to comprehend such transcendent truths — Watchmaker
What evidence do you have that this is true?There is a mind that is self existent, eternal. That much I know for certain — Watchmaker
God's Word is a light unto my path and a lamp unto my feet, and right now, the only place that is illuminated and where I feel safe is underneath the Shadow of His Wings. — Watchmaker
The JCI deity is conceived of as 'eternal' which imples that all of the modes – personas – of its being simultaneously exist (like 'experiential time tense' in a block universe). 'One face, three masks' – from the believer's temporal perspective. — 180 Proof
In a very very simple nutshell, I do not believe that something came from nothing. It is the greatest absurdity imaginable (if one can even imagine nothingness). All of my other worldviews are then built upon that. — Watchmaker
Can the persons of the Trinity disagree with each other? — GRWelsh
Can the persons of the Trinity disagree with each other?
— GRWelsh
:grin: Well, they seemed to, on the cross, when Jesus is supposed to have exclaimed,
"Father, why hast thou forsaken me?" — universeness
Does it directly communicate with you in a personally very convincing way, regularly, repeatedly?
If not, why not? if it is your benevolent creator? — universeness
If Jesus believed that His mission was to suffer and die, I can see how that would create no small amount of inner turmoil. — Watchmaker
Good question. Let me get back with you on that. I will say though that I have never heard an audible voice, or any voices in my head...no burning bushes, etc. — Watchmaker
If I die, all 3 of members of that triune die to. I die, myself dies and me dies. — universeness
The same law may not apply to Divinity. — Watchmaker
There is absolutely no disrespect in asking such questions. I believe that Jesus inhabited a human body, so yes, He experienced everything we experience. — Watchmaker
I believe God wants me to probe as far as my intellect has the capacity for. — Watchmaker
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