My advice is to use words that can't be interpreted as expressing a lack of empathy. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Ill-fed people probably have access to food but just don't procure it. — ZzzoneiroCosm
It's food stamps NOS. Cheese. Milk. Hamburger.
Buns to put the hamburger in. It's not going to turn the world upside down.
Imagine actually believing this.
Put yourself in these shoes and consider it.
Frightening, isn’t it? — Xtrix
It’s unjust, Frank. It’s an unjust system. It seeks to arise at a just state through unjust means. Not only that but it does so inefficiently, wastefully and poorly. — NOS4A2
You’d voluntarily fall into such relationships because you’re stupid, a coward, or both. — NOS4A2
That's why we have human rights. To protect everyone. Even stupid cowards. (Not saying you're a stupid coward xtrix :smile: )
Human rights are for the weakest, stupidest, most cowardly among us. Yes, and even the "moochers and looters." Everyone, no matter how unworthy.
And freedom of association implies anyone can quit a relationship with the state should they choose. — NOS4A2
What has been created by this half century of massive corporate propaganda is what's called "anti-politics". So that anything that goes wrong, you blame the government. Well okay, there's plenty to blame the government about, but the government is the one institution that people can change... the one institution that you can affect without institutional change. That's exactly why all the anger and fear has been directed at the government. The government has a defect - it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect - they're pure tyrannies. So therefore you want to keep corporations invisible, and focus all anger on the government. So if you don't like something, you know, your wages are going down, you blame the government. Not blame the guys in the Fortune 500, because you don't read the Fortune 500. You just read what they tell you in the newspapers... so you don't read about the dazzling profits and the stupendous glitz, and the wages going down and so on, all you know is that the bad government is doing something, so let's get mad at the government.
Are you arguing for human rights now? Freedom of association as a human right?
Is that more or less fundamental than the right to life, the right to a living wage, the right to humane working conditions - all of which have, historically speaking, require state intervention?
I'm talking about actual history, not your abstract fantasy.
The difference between negative and positive rights is pretty well established that anyone can spend a moment to learn the difference and come to his own conclusions. — NOS4A2
Provide your argument for why the right to freedom of association is more fundamental than the right to life, to a living wage, to humane treatment.
I can't wait to hear it. — ZzzoneiroCosm
What has been created by this half century of massive corporate propaganda is what's called "anti-politics". So that anything that goes wrong, you blame the government. Well okay, there's plenty to blame the government about, but the government is the one institution that people can change... the one institution that you can affect without institutional change. That's exactly why all the anger and fear has been directed at the government. The government has a defect - it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect - they're pure tyrannies. So therefore you want to keep corporations invisible, and focus all anger on the government. So if you don't like something, you know, your wages are going down, you blame the government. Not blame the guys in the Fortune 500, because you don't read the Fortune 500. You just read what they tell you in the newspapers... so you don't read about the dazzling profits and the stupendous glitz, and the wages going down and so on, all you know is that the bad government is doing something, so let's get mad at the government.
This thread in a nutshell. — Xtrix
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