Maybe aliens will show up and give us all little ray guns that can grow a cheeseburger into the size of a house thus solving world hunger. You don't know. — Outlander
Just like preaching against procreating —> species extinction (auto-genocide).But not moral. — schopenhauer1
:smirk: :up:I suppose it helps that antinatalism is just another capitalist bromide, an effort to individualize and moralize what are, in fact, systemic problems. After the capitalists, after the liberals, the antinatalists get the wall after the revolution. Alternatively we'll give them the pistol and they can do it themselves and fulfil their deathlong ambitions. — Streetlight
This privately owned situation is near impossible to change — schopenhauer1
It follows that it would then be best to not expose new people into this unjust, intractable situation. — schopenhauer1
After the capitalists, after the liberals, the antinatalists get the wall after the revolution. — Streetlight
But then aren't the children being used to promote a cause? If you believe in deontological ethics surrounding the idea of not using people as a means, this is problematic. Also, if Marxism is the closest ideal society, there is no proof that Marxism is closer to any kind of fruition than any other time. Marxists are acutely aware of the plight of the worker. It would also be problematic to put more workers into a world that isn't even close to achieving the ideal social setup (according to Marxists at least).because they don't think that progress is impossible. — Jamal
It's not murder it'd just be delayed antinatalism. — Streetlight
Do Marxists still exist? — Noble Dust
If there are Marxists who also believe in inevitable capitalism, then I imagine they are too busy trying to square one belief against the other ever to get busy procreating. — Cuthbert
Hey like I always say, I'm all for antinatalism. The faster you people drop dead without reproducing, the better. — Streetlight
But not moral.
— schopenhauer1
Just like preaching against procreating —> species extinction (auto-genocide).
— 180 Proof
Without getting into desirability, mankind going extinct as a result of individuals' voluntary choice not to procreate is not immoral. — Tzeentch
↪180 Proof So what, if that is the result of people's voluntary actions?
There's nothing wrong with destroying the village if all the villagers voluntary want it to be so. — Tzeentch
Ditto. :smirk:↪schopenhauer1 Hey like I always say, I'm all for antinatalists. The faster you people drop dead without reproducing, the better. — Streetlight
But then aren't the children being used to promote a cause? If you believe in deontological ethics surrounding the idea of not using people as a means, this is problematic. — schopenhauer1
Modern human living requires the very central aspect of laboring in a privately owned milieu.
This privately owned situation is near impossible to change. — schopenhauer1
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