• Benj96
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    Newton’s third law of thermodynamics states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If true equilibrium is reached then “push” and “shove” (the equals and opposites) are equally matched and therefore nothing actually happens. They cancel out. Perfect equilibrium is static and unchanging.

    However energy is the ability to do work and if each side is of equal potency no change can occur and work cannot be done. But energy (ability to do work) cannot be created or destroyed (first law) therefore energy has to “always” be able to exert itself/ do work.

    This raises the suspicion that equilibrium actually violates the laws of physics. Which means either one of two things: either a). Equilibrium can never be reached or b). The state of equilibrium is inherently unstable and thus produces inequality so that energy can persist.
  • Banno
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    Newton’s third law of thermodynamics...Benj96

    That might be enough. No need to read further. :wink:
  • alan1000
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    "If true equilibrium is reached then “push” and “shove” (the equals and opposites) are equally matched and therefore nothing actually happens."

    You need to develop this point because it embodies an obvious contradiction. It cannot be the case that "nothing actually happens" if there is an interplay of opposing forces, even though the outcome might be representable as zero on some scale.
  • Gnomon
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    This raises the suspicion that equilibrium actually violates the laws of physics. Which means either one of two things: either a). Equilibrium can never be reached or b). The state of equilibrium is inherently unstable and thus produces inequality so that energy can persist.Benj96
    The third law (T3) is universal, but there are local exceptions. If Entropy was as all-powerful as the thermodynamics law makes it seem, then you would not be here to ask rhetorical questions. In reality though, there is an important exception to the general rule. Physicists call that natural hack "negentropy". But I call it "Enformy" : the power to create novel forms within a stable system ; asymmetrical forces are non-linear, indeterminate, & ever-changing.

    Absolute Entropy is destructive of order & organization, and if un-opposed would cause the Big Bang to wink-out in an instant. But something --- Lucretius called it "the clinamen" (swerve ; inclination) --- has allowed local pockets of dynamic equilibrium (cycling homeostasis) that have produced important anomalies within T3 (e.g. Life & Mind). Hence, on one Pale Blue Dot, in a remote corner of a minor galaxy, there is just enough "inequality" (imbalance) to allow energy to cycle within a coherent system (organism) long enough to become Animated (self-moving). And those animated lumps of protoplasm have endured and inter-acted long-enough to eventually evolve functional Sentience (awareness). Moreover, those "violations" of homeostasis (stable state) have eventually resulted in extravagant Consciousness (self-awareness).

    So, it seems that even Newton's Third Law (equal & opposite reaction) has its own exception. In practice, the combined actions of two or more bodies is not always directly opposed, but somewhat eccentric. The aberrant result is what makes the game of billiards interesting : a new vector that departs from the original course. Consequently, even though Life is technically illegal, there is a thriving black market in living & thinking in the dark alleys of the universe. :cool:

    To Hack : . . .the act of attempting to manipulate outcomes of . . . behavior through orchestrated actions.

    Hack : A clever or elegant technical accomplishment, especially one with a playful or prankish bent.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hack

    Dynamic Equilibrium : a state of balance between two or more continuing processes.

    "The Swerve" refers to a key conception in the ancient atomistic theories according to which atoms moving through the void are subject to clinamen: while falling straight through the void, they are sometimes subject to a slight, unpredictable swerve.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swerve
    Note -- Some pool sharks are able to curve the path of their ball to go around another ball, thus violating another law of Newton (straight line momentum) with ulterior intentions. Which raises the question : who hacked (swerved) the Big Bang?
  • god must be atheist
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    Newton’s third law of thermodynamics states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If true equilibrium is reached then “push” and “shove” (the equals and opposites) are equally matched and therefore nothing actually happens. They cancel out. Perfect equilibrium is static and unchanging.

    However energy is the ability to do work and if each side is of equal potency no change can occur and work cannot be done. But energy (ability to do work) cannot be created or destroyed (first law) therefore energy has to “always” be able to exert itself/ do work.

    This raises the suspicion that I, Benj96, don't understand physics at all.
    Benj96

    I agree.

    Note: quote was altered by me, to make it more expressive for the truth.
  • Agent Smith
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    :fire: Keep it coming!
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