The gate to the Oracle at Delphi bore this inscription : "gnothi seauton" (know thyself). That kind of "direct" (introspective) gnosis is indeed necessary for wisdom. But, pretending to know something via indirect channels -- hidden from Reason & human eyes -- may be wise like a wiley serpent. The ancient Gnostics got a bad reputation for claiming to reveal occult esoteric spiritual truths that are necessary for salvation. And that tactic worked well on gullible people, who put their trust in con-men. But philosophical wisdom must be amenable to Reason, and not just taken on Faith. Confer "Trump Truth". :nerd:Is Gnosis a useful source of knowledge and/or wisdom? — Bret Bernhoft
I'm not sure how do you mean this. It sounds like "the experience one has from knowledge", which doesn't make much sense to me; I can't get what that could be. But it would certainly make sense to me if you had said "the knowledge that comes from (direct) experience".Gnosis is the direct experience of knowledge and wisdom. — Bret Bernhoft
BTW, I have not voted because the question of the poll --"Is Gnosis a useful source of knowledge ..."-- is inconsistent with your initial description of Gnosis, i.e. that it is an experience of knowledge ... — Alkis Piskas
:up: In other words, as a disciple of Sunzi once said: "A man's got to know his limitations."The gate to the Oracle at Delphi bore this inscription : "gnothi seauton" (know thyself). That kind of "direct" (introspective) gnosis is indeed necessary for wisdom. — Gnomon
:100:But, pretending to know something via indirect channels -- hidden from Reason & human eyes -- may be wise like a wiley serpent. The ancient Gnostics got a bad reputation for claiming to reveal occult esoteric spiritual truths that are necessary for salvation. And that tactic worked well on gullible people, who put their trust in con-men. But philosophical wisdom must be amenable to Reason, and not just taken on Faith.
I don't want to believe. I want to know. — Carl Sagan
I do not want to found anything on the incomprehensible. I want to know whether I can live with what I know and with that alone. — Albert Camus
Deus, sive natura naturans. — Benedict Spinoza
What I know, what is certain, what I cannot deny, what I cannot reject — this is what counts. I can negate everything of that part of me that lives on vague nostalgias, except this desire for unity, this longing to solve, this need for clarity and cohesion. I can refute everything in this world surrounding me that offends or enraptures me, except this chaos, this sovereign chance and this divine equivalence which springs from anarchy. I don’t know whether this world has a meaning that transcends it. But I know that I do not know that meaning and that it is impossible for me just now to know it. What can a meaning outside my condition mean to me? I can understand only in human terms. What I touch, what resists me — that is what I understand. And these two certainties — my appetite for the absolute and for unity and the impossibility of reducing this world to a rational and reasonable principle — I also know that I cannot reconcile them. What other truth can I admit without lying, without bringing in a hope I lack and which means nothing within the limits of my condition? — Albert Camus
That which is [harmful] to you, do not do to anyone. — Hillel the Elder
My trusting sister was just conned into giving-out her bank account information to an Indian Microsoft "expert" who claimed to be able to fix a technical problem with her computer, that was caused by his own virus. — Gnomon
Rather I would place the spiritual in that place 'whereof one cannot speak'. — unenlightened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GnosticismGnostics considered the principal element of salvation to be direct knowledge of the supreme divinity in the form of mystical or esoteric insight. Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.
Yes, it seems it has this color too! :smile:it seems to be connected with "mystery" or occultism — javi2541997
Indeed, he doesn't look much of an answering guy ... He didn't answer me neither. Or, simply he is eclectic, because from what I saw, he answered only to @180 Proof ...He did something related in another post but he never answered me — javi2541997
I wouldn't bet on that. If it has not been classifiled, placed anywhere till now, most brobably it simply can't.Maybe the OP was referring if we can put Gnosis inside a classical source of knowledge such as a rationalism or empiricism (?) — javi2541997
...whereas insight is immediate and present. One cannot share insight, but only relate it as experience from the past, so what one shares is knowledge. — unenlightened
The problem with all such promises is that one must first buy into it in order to seriously pursue it, and then when one fails to realize what is expected the blame is put on the person striving for doing or not doing something. — Fooloso4
Or is all of this conformity to the highest degree? You have confirmed to everything. Your society, to ideologies, to your flag, to religions ( or its opposite), to narratives, to your philosophies, to your world views, to your prejudices and biases, to the apathy of your old age, to your lack of integrity, to your experiences, to your knowledge. — skyblack
But I still think there must be a way to talk about things — Metaphysician Undercover
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. — Matthew 11: 15
https://alanwatts.org/2-2-5-buddhism-as-dialogue-part-1/There’s a poem which says when two Zen masters meet each other on the road they need no introduction. Thieves recognise one another instantaneously.
These assessors, thinking they “have it down”, lack the insight, to see, their entire life has been a compromise of integrity, values, ethics: bereft of any standards that a true gnostic will hold themselves to. living an entire life essentially of failures (various kinds) stepped in deceit, lack of love/affection, consideration, violence (all kinds : a life plagued by all kinds of insecurities and failed attempts to mask it… — skyblack
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