I personally consider (C) to the hardest of the three more often than not. Recognising problems or goals and developing a concrete plan of action are also difficult for many people -- but in the end the biggest obstacle to growth, in my view, is simply doing it. Perhaps others disagree. — Xtrix
The force is strong with this one. — Master Yoda
you'll be no doubt aware of the overlaps with something like REBT — Isaac
We're often not aware of goals which are, nonetheless important to us. Eating is one example. It's really important that we eat enough, but when you get people to list their goals in your therapy sessions, how many list eating? — Isaac
So getting people to focus on goals not being achieved is a great idea, but it would be good to include reference, in that process, to goals which one might simply think of as background, yet are not being achieved nonetheless. — Isaac
Too often goal-oriented people neglect their role in helping others achieve their goals, and so miss an important (but perhaps, unexamined) goal of their own. — Isaac
Planning can often be dominated by the easy-to-predict and neglect the difficult-to-predict, simply because it's hard work and we tend to avoid hard work. — Isaac
Finally, lest my reply get longer than your OP, I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly?) that this is a form of CBT - you work out what behaviours are required to achieve your goals and then carry them out. But there's no mention of challenging the beliefs that are currently in the way. I'm not going to explain what it means because I know you already know. I'm just interested if there's a reason you didn't mention it. — Isaac
I do think however that setting goals is a specific worldview and approach which not everyone relates to as the pragmatic common sense it is often understood to be. When I've worked with Aboriginal Australian clients, for instance, this seems to be the case. — Tom Storm
you can't fail, you simply can't! — Agent Smith
self-criticism, criticism of your own path, should be an important part of a spiritual path. Without self-criticism there is no growth, no opening to different horizons and perspectives. — Angelo Cannata
As a former "Queen of Planning", I’ll just say be careful what you plan for. — ArielAssante
Yeah, wtf?! :100: :clap:[M]y heart sinks to read such stuff. Always more, always strife, always heading for a goal somewhere else, never content, forever becoming what one is not. It is a capitalist psychology par excellence and it is nothing new, but the same outdated paradigm that has brought us to the [edge] of destruction.
I won't interrupt again, I just wanted to register my personal dissent. — unenlightened
Always more, always strife, always heading for a goal somewhere else, never content, forever becoming what one is not. — unenlightened
It is a capitalist psychology par excellence — unenlightened
After a lot of talk on the Forum about politics, climate change, capitalism, unions, collective action, etc., I find that so many of our problems are largely due to the fact that public pressure isn't there to change them. There's a multitude of reasons -- we're polarized, heavily propagandized, poorly educated, misinformed, warped by media, etc. But whatever the reason, in order to change this scenario we need to change ourselves and how we relate to others.
No easy task. But perhaps a way of talking about such change is helpful.
What do Aboriginal clients have to say about personal growth/change? — Xtrix
I want to climb to the top of that mountain — Xtrix
Transformation and healing seems to come through connection to country and mob. (In other words, place based and through interactions with culture and others, especially elders.) — Tom Storm
Seems very individualistic, although I don’t at all mean it that way. Collaboration with others is essential. — Xtrix
Thus, insofar as "having goals" requires applying "the ABC framework" to goal-formation itself, this infinite regress – problem of the criterion – tends to invalidate "having goals". Rather, practice aligning one's expectations with reality by reflectively unlearning maladaptive habits (vide Laozi, Buddha, Epicurus, Epictetus, Montaigne, Spinoza, Peirce-Dewey, Wittgenstein, Zapffe-Camus, ... Beck ... Yalom ... Achenbach-Schuster).Having goals based on faulty assumptions or poor value is a big obstacle. — Xtrix
Thus, insofar as "having goals" requires applying "the ABC framework" to goal-formation itself, this infinite regress – problem of the criterion – tends to invalidate "having goals". — 180 Proof
Rather, practice aligning one's expectations with reality by reflectively unlearning maladaptive habits (vide Laozi, Buddha, Epicurus, Epictetus, Montaigne, Spinoza, Peirce-Dewey, Wittgenstein, Zapffe-Camus, ... Beck ... Yalom ... Achenbach-Schuster). — 180 Proof
Being content is also a goal. — Xtrix
It is a capitalist psychology par excellence
— unenlightened
This is simply wrong. You can read even a fraction of my 3000+ posts to see why. Has nothing to do with capitalism— nothing. In fact the entire post is an attempt to frame personal change in the direction away from capitalism. — Xtrix
You can make anything a goal, if you make it your goal it is a goal. — unenlightened
Nevertheless, your psychology as described is highly individualist as distinct from social in emphasis — unenlightened
materiallist and pragmatic and entirely directed to an endless succession of wants and needs, which is exactly the focus that capitalism demands of a consumer. — unenlightened
If your goal is to get away from capitalism, this is not a good basis for doing so. That is my criticism, nothing personal. — unenlightened
Here is a nice little piece on Gregory Bateson, that might hint at other ways of looking at things. — unenlightened
I am not accusing you of being a capitalist. — unenlightened
Nevertheless, your psychology as described is highly individualist as distinct from social in emphasis... — unenlightened
After a lot of talk on the Forum about politics, climate change, capitalism, unions, collective action, etc., I find that so many of our problems are largely due to the fact that public pressure isn't there to change them. There's a multitude of reasons -- we're polarized, heavily propagandized, poorly educated, misinformed, warped by media, etc. But whatever the reason, in order to change this scenario we need to change ourselves and how we relate to others. — Xtrix
... materiallist [sic]... — unenlightened
... pragmatic... — unenlightened
... entirely directed to an endless succession of wants and needs... — unenlightened
Bateson — unenlightened
There is no plan, no need for a plan. Make an improvement, then see where you are, and then go again. — Srap Tasmaner
If I understand you right, "the framework" is "validited" by the efficacy of (i.e. feedback from) C, which is external to "the framework", and not C itself. My objection was an internal critique of A (goals-forming/setting). As for "the framework" itself – even a broken clock is correct at least twice a day.If I’m following it right, in Xtrix’s framework A & B are validated by C. If C (practice) is ineffective then something must be amiss in A and/or B. — praxis
If I’m following it right, in Xtrix’s framework A & B are validated by C. If C (practice) is ineffective then something must be amiss in A and/or B. — praxis
My objection was an internal critique of A (goals-forming/setting). — 180 Proof
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