that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc, and not feel bad about it, not lose motivation to live another day. — Skalidris
Who have you been talking to?hinking about it leads to emptiness, so they simply avoid it and focus on the moment. — Skalidris
Well I've done it, but I do acknowledge that the typical person has a need for that focal point. It's just human nature. I have more of a need for truth than a need for imaginary comfort, but I was surprised to find the latter (and meaning as well) anyway.My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning?
Life in general may not, but mine does. What about family and such? What's wrong with that as meaning?Like getting closure with the fact that life doesn't have meaning
This statement seems to make the assumption that there is an afterlife, but an empty one, sort of like your experience suddenly just going sensory-deprivation after your body dies. The statement makes no sense unless you believe in an afterlife.that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc,
Death is only scary if you make those 'spiritual' assumptions.because death is scary — Skalidris
I have more of a need for truth than a need for imaginary comfort, but I was surprised to find the latter (and meaning as well) anyway. — noAxioms
The statement makes no sense unless you believe in an afterlife. — noAxioms
If it's imaginary, it's probably not much of a comfort. You seem to confuse meaning with comfort in your reply.So what's your imaginary comfort on this one? — Skalidris
Picturing nothingness is actually really scary, and presuming that's what you'll picture after you die drives an awful lot of people to these not-so-down-to-earth beliefs.Picture the nothingness is not scary at all. — javi2541997
I'm also an eternalist (I actually thing Einstein's theory is more likely correct than incorrect), and that means there isn't a present moment that will someday not include me, or at least what I call 'me'. — noAxioms
Nothingness is pure and poetic. Life tend to be fulfilled with unpleasantness. When an individual is aware of everything around him it has more chances of suffering pain due to conciousness.
But if you say to me that there is nothing after death I would take it as the pure freedom act. No more hate, disgrace, pain, disappointments, illnesses, etc...
For me nothingness after death is the real Nirvana. No more complaining about literally everything which "fulfilled" our lives. — javi2541997
A glass half-empty kind of guy, eh? A life without unpleasantness is a life without meaning. It reduces one to being doped up on Heroin without end. There are a few pains that serve no continued purpose and that I'd voluntarily remove, but not most of them.Life tend to be fulfilled with unpleasantness. — javi2541997
Something like that, yes.So you're not afraid of disappearing because you believe you'll always exist somewhere in this universe? — Skalidris
Per Einstein, merely "a persistent illusion". Lots of things are illusions. Some of them (this one included) very much serves a purpose, so it's there, even if it's a lie.But to you, to your consciousness, the passing of time is one directional
Will what start again? There's no spotlight, nothing that 'goes' from here to there. You're positing the thing that doesn't exist in eternalism.so when it ends, will it start again somewhere else?
Wrong question. What does it feel like? I already know that. Your wording presumes the alternate view. Of course you'll find it confusing if you mix views like that.What is it going to feel like for you?
A glass half-empty kind of guy, eh? — noAxioms
It reduces one to being doped up on Heroin without end. — noAxioms
So what's your imaginary comfort on this one? That you live for your family? What if your family was dead and you didn't have any friends? Would you then still be comfortable that life has no meaning? — Skalidris
Since they don't have spiritual or religious believes, thinking about it leads to emptiness, so they simply avoid it and focus on the moment. — Skalidris
I'm just wondering if we could deal with the fact that there is nothing, and be happy about it). — Skalidris
I noticed that the most down to earth, scientific minds I've met avoid metaphysical topics like the afterlife, the meaning of life, etc. Since they don't have spiritual or religious believes, thinking about it leads to emptiness, so they simply avoid it and focus on the moment. — Skalidris
My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning? Like getting closure with the fact that life doesn't have meaning, that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc, and not feel bad about it, not lose motivation to live another day. (Whether there is something or not in the afterlife is not what I want to talk about, I'm just wondering if we could deal with the fact that there is nothing, and be happy about it). — Skalidris
You must survive by the social milieu your environment offers, you avoid discomfort (unless you are "cool" enough to seek it out)
Would you elaborate on: unless you are "cool" enough to seek it out? — ArielAssante
Yes, of course. I can't think of anything more "unpleasant" (i.e. enslaving) than a totalitarian "meaning of life". Besides, "the afterlife" only kicks the can by begging the question of the "meaning of the afterlife."My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning? — Skalidris
The journey is the destination — 180 Proof
My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning? Like getting closure with the fact that life doesn't have meaning, that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc, and not feel bad about it, not lose motivation to live another day. (Whether there is something or not in the afterlife is not what I want to talk about, I'm just wondering if we could deal with the fact that there is nothing, and be happy about it). — Skalidris
I noticed that the most down to earth, scientific minds I've met avoid metaphysical topics like the afterlife, the meaning of life, etc. Since they don't have spiritual or religious believes, thinking about it leads to emptiness, so they simply avoid it and focus on the moment.
My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning? Like getting closure with the fact that life doesn't have meaning, that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc, and not feel bad about it, not lose motivation to live another day. (Whether there is something or not in the afterlife is not what I want to talk about, I'm just wondering if we could deal with the fact that there is nothing, and be happy about it). — Skalidris
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