You mean seppuku can be committed alone. That I understood as obvious.
For the individual it is clearly and hopefully a one-off act; it is only a ritual in the socio-cultural sense.
I was looking at the broader framework; it is/was a Japanese Ritual and then some. — Amity
I see a ritual as a symbolic gesture.
Often its an outer appearance meant to convince you of an inner essence.
It has some parallels with magic tricks, as both are dealing with convincing appearances, but magic tries to convince you of literal occurrences while rituals try to convince you of inner essences.
I think when there is an essence, the outer symbolic gesture is often unnecessary.
Sometimes rituals/ceremonies can work like placebos / self fulfilling prophecies. — Yohan
We are both agree in the same point then! — javi2541997
I find the idea and practice of seppuku, honour suicides and killings disturbing to say the least.
To think it has survived in fantasy role-playing...
And in modern life within certain religions: — Amity
And to be clear, I think a ritual may necessarily be social in nature.
– praxis
Not necessarily. Seppuku was a samurai ritual used when someone committed a big act of dishonour or disrespect. The act itself was accomplished in the pure loneliness. Most of the people found out what happened whenever they discovered the corpse. — javi2541997
what would the point of a personal ritual be?
what would the point of a personal ritual be?
The search of a personal journey. — javi2541997
I find the idea and practice of seppuku, honour suicides and killings disturbing to say the least.
To think it has survived in fantasy role-playing...
And in modern life within certain religions:
— Amity — Amity
given your recent posts extolling the life of a samurai, I wondered whether you would agree with that but received no reply. — Amity
Yet, it is so drastic seppuku act, we should never forget it. It is an important piece of history that is pretty interesting to consider about. It was an Ancient Ritual and we have to respect it. — javi2541997
They were used to clan wars and a lot of blood. We evolved in to a complex society where we resolve the disputes with words and debates (a new habit which was born during the XIX century...? — javi2541997
I am not entirely convinced there is a ‘why’ of doing so. This may sound bizarre but I just have a niggling sense that whatever function/role a Ritual plays in our lives it is essentially a creative force rather than one made of pure intent. — I like sushi
I am not sure that “rituals” need to have a set purpose either. Maybe it is that some forms of “rituals” are more about exploring purpose and/or imbuing purpose by selecting some segment of time and addressing it by Visualising, Articulating, Acting Out, Analysing or Inventing. — I like sushi
As stands I have these five items.
1) Perception : Visualising
2) Thought : Articulating
3) Realisation : Acting Out
4) Reversal : Analysing
5) Development : Inventing — I like sushi
... a Ritual is more like an attempt at being a hierophant (the ‘translator’) and just occupying the space of ‘translations’ rather than actively mediating between ‘self’ and ‘world’ … if that makes sense? — I like sushi
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