Individuals CAN therefore live a very interesting and significant life (judged as good or bad by supporters/dissenters). Change, time and self-awareness allows for the advent of choice and perhaps even free will. — universeness
Interesting. Then, you consider that life significance depends on time and transitoriness. — javi2541997
Timelessness — in the sense of time never ending, never beginning — is a stagnant nothing. It is absolutely uninteresting. — javi2541997
Life is possessed by tremendous tenacity. Even so, its presence remains conditional, and as it had a beginning, so it will have an end. I believe that life, just for this reason, is exceedingly enhanced in value, — javi2541997
Otherwise, everything would be worthless and paradoxically, the things which are perpetual are at the same time the ones we are tired of the most. — javi2541997
A good OP and an interesting topic. — T Clark
I've experienced this since I retired three years ago [...] Sometimes if feels like looking out at a vast, flat, empty plain, but that's the challenge and opportunity. — T Clark
. That seems like a bleak prospect. I don't want to die now. I'm having a good time. But I certainly don't want to live forever. — T Clark
Is this a mere coincidence or a two-factor synchronicity? I just flipped through a book I read almost 15 years ago, and in the next moment clicked on this thread. Both are concerned with "timelessness", but from different perspectives. Gevin Giorbran's book, Everything Forever, Learning to See Timelessness, was published in 2007. He was influenced by Einstein's concept of Block Time, and David Bohm's notion of Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Giorbran seems to emphasize, not the "transitoriness" of Time, but its comprehensiveness (wholeness). He looks at Time from the outside, instead of the inside.Thomas Mann wrote: What I believe, what I value most, is transitoriness. But is not transitoriness — the perishableness of life — something very sad? No! It is the very soul of existence. It imparts value, dignity, interest to life. Transitoriness creates time — and “time is the essence.” Potentially at least, time is the supreme, most useful gift.
Time is related to — yes, identical with — everything creative and active, with every progress toward a higher goal. Without transitoriness, without beginning or end, birth or death, there is no time, either. Timelessness — in the sense of time never ending, never beginning — is a stagnant nothing. It is absolutely uninteresting. — javi2541997
Thomas Mann's notion of Time seems to come from a personal experiential point of view. But Giorbran's version is from a global, universal, and philosophical perspective. Mann's concept feels more sensuous & real, while Giorbran's idea seems more abstract & ideal. Could both aspects be true simultaneously? — Gnomon
I think this examples fits the concept of transitoriness so well. The aesthetic concept of a flourished flower is ephemeral. — javi2541997
There's a lot of talk these days about the end of death through medical technology or artificial intelligence. That seems like a bleak prospect. I don't want to die now. I'm having a good time. But I certainly don't want to live forever. — T Clark
But trust me on the fact that we will end up getting tired of "perpetual" flowers in our garden for seeing them everyday in our lives. — javi2541997
Many people are attracted to such but for me, it's a bit too much about self, I favour a different balance to that suggested by the glorious, beautiful, brief existence of a flower. — universeness
Increased lifespan would allow me to 'fight for my cause' a lot longer and I am very attracted to that. — universeness
I completely lost every hope in my life. This is why I see the main subject of this topic as individual. — javi2541997
If you want to keep fight for a cause you have to be aware with the fact that it is impossible to do it alone — javi2541997
when you are surrounded by people some members tend to betray you... another fact of why is better to pass the by as a lone wolf. — javi2541997
I continue to be let down by some and I am very grateful, and I much admire the examples and demonstrated trustworthiness I continue to witness in others.
You cannot change much as a lone wolf, you do need others. — universeness
I no longer advocate for a parliament/government made up of political parties. We need to send local representatives from constituencies based on their viewpoints and not party-political mandates. — universeness
In my view, doing things for others is more likely to lead to satisfaction and personal transformation. — Tom Storm
Maybe not related to what you're asking but transitoriness from the link you posted sounds like a proof of reality, as opposed to ex. theory of simulation which aims to say we and our surrounding aren't real.I start this OP because I am interested in your thoughts regarding transitoriness. We already discussed some threads about the concept of death where I quoted Mishima’s books. But this time is different because I learned a new state of mind: self-realization on the pass of time. — javi2541997
?transitoriness — javi2541997
In my view, doing things for others is more likely to lead to satisfaction and personal transformation. — Tom Storm
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment. — Woody Allen
Same here. I want to live long enough to quit life on my own terms and to desire nothing more from living. Not "forever", I agree, but as long as it's psychologically possible for me to go on.I don't want to die now. I'm having a good time. But I certainly don't want to live forever. — T Clark
:100: :fire:I've generally thought of life as a brief flickering of light in the infinite darkness. It's entirely up to the individual how they wish to inhabit this brief flash of illumination. Generally I think it helps an individual to get out and do things and not dwell on their own needs or thoughts too much. Rumination leads to endless potential forms of dissatisfaction. In my view, doing things for others is more likely to lead to satisfaction and personal transformation — Tom Storm
A free man thinks of death least of all things, and his wisdom is a meditation not of death but of life. — Benedict Spinoza
I have two questions:
1. Do you feel nostalgic? — javi2541997
2. How do you face the challenges/opportunities? The same way as you did ten or twenty years ago? — javi2541997
What I mean is: while I am aware about my limitations on my life and what the future holds, I am not capable of experiencing the same virtue in your awareness or concious. You have to live it yourself in your own as well as I do so. — javi2541997
I wish the law makers listen to your ideas and opinions because they are so brainy. — javi2541997
I also think that political parties are not longer useful — javi2541997
Same here. I want to live long enough to quit life on my own terms and I desire nothing more from living. Not "forever", I agree, but as long as it's psychologically possible for me to go on. — 180 Proof
Now? I just sit here and wait to see what happens - in the world and in myself. — T Clark
I don't think the survival of our species depends in any way on "the human race ... globally united". In fact, I'd bet against it. And when 'life extension' engineeriing really takes off, Malthusian population pressures will go critical and policies of 'strategic gigacide' will need to be implemented. What survives on the other side of that global cataclysm might not be recognizably "human" to us (i.e. their ancestors).So, the human race must ultimately, globally unite in such common cause or go the way of the dinosaurs. — universeness
'The species imperative' does not require most of the current populations of the species (or their descendants) to survive, only enough of us to carry our DNA and cultural artifacts forward through the coming millennia and epochs. AI-automation + space habitation + immortality engineering are what h. sapiens' "Post-human" future looks like to me ...Do you see any other way forwards towards what I think MUST BE the natural direction of our species almost as a natural imperative of all sentient life.
I do intend to spend a lot more of my time doing volunteer work when I turn 60, so 2 years from now. — universeness
Why not transition, or just "change"? What is the rhetorical advantage? — Banno
the 'aesthetics of ephemerality' will remain the prime motivator of culture, especially religion and war, and decadence. — 180 Proof
That's not nostalgia. No longing for or regrets about the past. It's almost as if there's no past at all. — T Clark
So says the man who came from being born into this world and has only limited time. If humans are immortal, which is what it's about, we wouldn't know what "beginning" is. We're just are here. Thoughts of such nature wouldn't register in our immortal minds. He can speak of "transitoriness" because that is his nature, our nature. But that's all he can speak of.Without transitoriness, without beginning or end, birth or death, there is no time, either. Timelessness — in the sense of time never ending, never beginning — is a stagnant nothing. It is absolutely uninteresting. — javi2541997
He can speak of "transitoriness" because that is his nature, our nature. But that's all he can speak of. — L'éléphant
Interesting perspective. I am not sure if I am aware about the possibility of denying the existence of my past at all because it created myself in the present and how I will be in the future. So past is there. I guess you are trying to say to me that is possible to "get over it" and not being stuck in the past endlessly. Another important characteristic of the transition of our lives. Every has an end, so the past too. — javi2541997
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