The answer depends on what you mean by "value": to what or to whom? under what circumstances? moral, aesthetic, religious, economic, political, or social value?What value is there to the self if we are nothing more than physical beings, and it is likely everything is predetermined? — TiredThinker
To my knowledge all mutations are either bad or don't change anything, and super rarely anything good and evolving. — TiredThinker
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-is-constantly-changing-through-the-process-6524898/What are the consequences of mutations?
Mutations are a source of genetic diversity in populations, and, as mentioned previously, they can have widely varying individual effects. In some cases, mutations prove beneficial to an organism by making it better able to adapt to environmental factors. In other situations, mutations are harmful to an organism — for instance, they might lead to increased susceptibility to illness or disease. In still other circumstances, mutations are neutral, proving neither beneficial nor detrimental outcomes to an organism. Thus, it is safe to say that the ultimate effects of mutations are as widely varied as the types of mutations themselves.
What value is there to the self if we are nothing more than physical beings, and it is likely everything is predetermined? — TiredThinker
That's the big chance genes live for. Imagine bearing the mutation that starts a whole new species! But, who cares? That's not why creatures reproduce. They either can't help it or get actual joy out of it. Or aggravation. Either way, life experience and a sense of not having wasted their time.To my knowledge all mutations are either bad or don't change anything, and super rarely anything good and evolving. — TiredThinker
Yeah. I'm dealing with old age myself. It's no fun, but memory is some consolation.What use is an identity that doesn't evolve and in fact continues to become less and less functional by our own standards? — TiredThinker
DNA identifies organisms as members of specific species. It's "value" is reproductive and as a hereditary genetic archive.If our only identity is genetic ultimately, and it constantly is deleteriously changed over time, what value does it have? — TiredThinker
Appeal to popularity is fallacious. "Free will", such as we exercise and experience it, is both conditional in function and limited in scope/effect (i.e. determined) – compatibilism. "Predetermined" is mumbo jumbo and should not be confused with determinism.And as far as predetermined I think most in this forum are comfortable with a lack of freewill which I think science can't prove to the contrary?
What do you mean by transhumanism? — TiredThinker
... a class of philosophies of life that seek the continuation and acceleration of the evolution of intelligent life beyond its currently human form and human limitations by means of science and technology, guided by life-promoting principles and values.
What do you mean by transhumanism? — TiredThinker
If you ask age researchers, at best they think they "might" be able to stop human aging in 20 years, by then I might be dead. — TiredThinker
You got to keep your memories? — TiredThinker
Yes, that's why I had provided the linkYou are saying free will and determinism aren't mutually exclusive? — TiredThinker
"Free will", such as we exercise and experience it, is both conditional in function and limited in scope/effect (i.e. determined) – compatibilism. — 180 Proof
The latter refers to efficient causation and the former to teleology (i.e. (occult) purpose).What is the difference between Predetermined and Determinism? — TiredThinker
I don't think we get a lot of choice, really. You can make shit up; pretend you'll go to heaven if you've been a good little Christian, or the Happy Hunting Ground or Valhalla or Paradise or Sto'Vo'Kor, but it's all fairy tales. You're not expected to like winking out like a star or snuffing out like a birthday candle... either of which is better than some other analogies I could draw....I have no issue with obscurity myself. I don't like the idea of oblivion is all. — TiredThinker
If we don't live to see the destination, we have no right to be proud of the seeds we plant — TiredThinker
I want to know the value of our own biological identity and would prefer to think it evolves instead of breaks then ceases. — TiredThinker
What value can something that can't (to my knowledge) continue to better itself have? — TiredThinker
Whatever survives us cannot mean anything to us now, only that we struggle to make the most of individual and collective possibilities for well-being.Real generosity towards the future lies in giving all to the present. — Albert Camus
Civilian and military leaders have been "old" – elders – as far back as I can recall, so I've no idea what you're talking about. "Old people" don't have to "fight" of "protect" "the species" when there are far more younger bodies available to do so. Thus, global civilization is a structural 'plutocratic gerontocracy' in the main, always has been, just look at the faces on most national currencies, for instance. While the laboring masses are mostly youths and middle aged, mostly they are not strategic decision-makers, investment planners, political military business or cultural managers and leaders. You're statement is quite mistaken, I'm sure.Old people aren't fighting no wars for us or able to protect others of the species as well anymore. — TiredThinker
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