• Banno
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    Facts trump valuesAndrew4Handel

    Sure. But far from interesting.

    its value is subjective to our desires.Andrew4Handel
    That is what values are. That they are subjective does not, as you seem to suppose, render them irrelevant.

    There is a conflict of values.Andrew4Handel

    Sure. Therefore there are values.

    The bolded bit. You can't escape it. You have to choose what to do, god or no god. That the responsibility rests with you and not the all-father is part of realising that you are human.


    The values invoked by religion were transcendent eternal values and this life a temporary stop over. Life felt eternal because you believed you had an immortal spirit/soul. No one would be left behind because even those with the most short miserable lives would go onto something better.Andrew4Handel

    Baby wants his womb back.

    Picture me grabbing you by the collar, shaking you and yelling "grow up!" into your face.

    Now, what you going to do about it?

    Your choice.
  • Agent Smith
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    I have become agnostic based on my evaluations of theory, evidence, probability, limitations of knowledge etc.Andrew4Handel

    Try Pyrrhonism. For every argument, a counterargument and/or refutation. The scale of truth is perfectly balanced. This aporia (bewilderment/puzzlement) leads to epoché (suspension of judgment) which in this case is agnosticism.
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