OKthe attempt of using a X or E instead of gender using is (at the moment) a Hispanic issue. I wish it doesn't spread to other languages or lexicons... — javi2541997
"Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use of Language"! :grin: I know about the issues of sexism in languages, but I couldn't imagine it could go that high in the echelon!American Philosophy Association says in its rules about submitting papers: "Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use of Language," which it says is, "A pamphlet outlining ways to modify language in order to eliminate gender-specific references"... this is out of control. — javi2541997
Thank you! :grin:We have to protect Greek language at all costs! — javi2541997
I see what you mean.I still see Spanish as non sexist language because whenever we use gender endings exclusively for women, then it means that is far away of being sexist. — javi2541997
Do you think the removal of the Stalin statues all across the USSR in the 1960s was wrong?
Statues are made to celebrate people, their actions and their ideology, and they don’t function as neutral historical documents even many years later. When they’re not worth celebrating any more, pull them down. — Jamal
Modern Greek, a demotic language, influenced by scholarly-leterary people, writers etc. most of whom in Greece are communists --yes, they have to do with the evolution of the Greek language!-- is actually a bastard or hybrid language — Alkis Piskas
the ancient and purist versions. — Alkis Piskas
Well, institutions always exaggerate, don't they? — Alkis Piskas
I believe they wanted to bring the official language closest to the language simple, lay people speak, esp. in rural areas and villages. Communism was and always is so closely related to demotic Greek, that in the junta (colonels) period (1967-1974), demoticists were accused of communism and working to undermine the state!what happened to the creation of "modern Greek" is anything but the negative influence of marixist and Leninist "thinkers" that want to re-establish whatever. — javi2541997
Kazantzakis — Alkis Piskas
Back to sexism and language, one thing that is good in demotic/modern Greek is that it is much less connected to and it is offerered much less for sexism than ancient and purist Greek language — Alkis Piskas
I don't know how is reading him in a foreign language, as good as the translation may be. For me, a big part of the value of his works lies in his language, about which I already told you. Of course, it feels always great to read ideas from him such as, "I hope nothing. I fear nothing. I am free." How buddhistic.I am interested in his works and I will check him and his works. — javi2541997
It is commonplace language. It can easily be quite ambiguous because of the oversimplification and levelling out or degradation of the words, because the same word --esp. secondary parts of the speech can n\mean different things. Which may become unncessarily repetitive. The ancient language was very exact. Both grammatically/syntactically and semantically.do you think that demotic/modern Greek is not "spiritual" or "philosophical" as Ancient Greek? — javi2541997
I don't know what Greeks think about that. Yoiu know, Greeks are not much of a reading public!Do the Greeks think that modern Greek is just a static language and it is not used to make poetry, for example? does Ancient Greek still maintain a good status among the citizens? — javi2541997
:up:The ancient language was very exact. Both grammatically/syntactically and semantically. — Alkis Piskas
Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use of Language"! — Alkis Piskas
Nice passage.For I have not been studious ... — javi2541997
Looks interesting. I'll check it.Dialects of Greek — javi2541997
Ionians were one of the four maain tribes Greeks derived from. You can check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionians. (I don't know if it is a translation from the Greek page or the other way around.)Classical Greek culture, including philosophy, began in Ionia, whose name became the word for "Greek" in all the languages to the East. — javi2541997
Thank you. It is my pleasure, Javi. But perhaps we shouldn't abuse this space ... Private messages (INBOX) may be a solution to this. :smile:I am learning a lot about Greek language and I am grateful for your effort to help me understand. :up: :grin: — javi2541997
Thank you. It is my pleasure, Javi. But perhaps we shouldn't abuse this space ... Private messages (INBOX) may be a solution to this. — Alkis Piskas
In short, a real mess! :grin:after endless bitching and carping, liturgy and hymns have been neutered in many Christian denominations. The changes in wording have resulted in more bitching and carping. — BC
True. I liked that. :up:The less particularity and fewer specifics we assign to God the better. — BC
As in every other language, I guess. (I don't know though about the Eskimo language! :grin:)There is a distinct difference between vernacular English and formal, literary, and academic English — BC
Right. In fact, I have mentioned about such differences in a comment to @javi2541997, regarding the formation of the modern Greek language.The proper use of language requires speaking and writing in the right register, depending on one's purpose and audience. — BC
OK. I'm not at all savant in this subject.The grammar and vernacular core vocabulary of English is Anglo-Saxon (A-S). — BC
Ha, ha, ha! OK, then, since there's public in the room! :grin:No, no -- this is interesting. Don't hide your light under an inbox. — BC
Millions of English speaking Christians grew up "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost". Starting back in the 1970s, feminists felt aggrieved and started agitating in the name of "the Creator, the Redeemer, and either the Holy Spirit or 'Sustainer'". OK, so 'ghost' is a bit anachronistic. Is God gendered? Maybe not for some people, but Jesus definitely was male, like it or not. So, after endless bitching and carping, liturgy and hymns have been neutered in many Christian denominations. The changes in wording have resulted in more bitching and carping. — BC
Ionians were one of the four maain tribes Greeks derived from. You can check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionians . (I don't know if it is a translation from the Greek page or the other way around.) — Alkis Piskas
(Only, as far as I am concerned, I will be back tomorrow ... It's late here.) — Alkis Piskas
Anyway, from that aspect at least, we are better off today! So we mustn;t complain — Alkis Piskas
Does "elite educated men" ring a bell? — Alkis Piskas
I dislike this guy a lot. He is the one responsible for the myth of the resurrection and the wrong road that Christianity followed, based on fake stories, authoritarianism, hostility and hate that we all witness still today. The passage you brought up reflects part of all that. And it refers only to woman's submission --which is part of the present topic-- but submission to God of every Christian, is one of the main messages that the Christian Church (esp. the Orthodox one) has always tried to conveyed, with great success in the past but less and less success today. The Church --not so powerful as during the Byzantine period but still very powerful today-- is the main responsible for the inequality between men and women. Still today, the Orthodox Christian Church --although it is called the "house of God" for all Chrstians-- together with the whole clergy, is run excelusively by men. There are only special places, like monasteries, that can be run by women. I guess that the Church has allowed that only to keep women's faith alive. I don't know if that faith would exist otherwsise. Society has undergone dramatic changes in the issue of equality of the sexes in the last 50 or so years, but the Church remined unchanged on that area. In fact, in every area. Like an immovable rock.The foundations of Christian misogyny—his guilt over sex, his insistence on female subjugation, his fear of female seduction—are all in the epistles of Saint Paul. — javi2541997
What do you think? — Alkis Piskas
Right. Good point. :up:We have to highlight that language (at least Latin) was in hands of religious scrivener who interpreted and promoted the language according to the Bible and we already seen that this sacred book is sexist itself. — javi2541997
Good idea! :up:research on the different branches of Christianity — javi2541997
Here they are again! :smile:not because of the text itself, but because of the Christian scholars who have interpreted the scripture throughout time. — javi2541997
I like that. More logical.some Evangelicals believe that Adam and Eve were created at the same time — javi2541997
Nice! I always believe that the story of Eve, the apple and the snake was totally unjust. for women. However, at the end both Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden. So God --I mean the story-- made them both and, as a consequence, the whole humanity sinners!. What a hideous story!.Historically, a great deal of blame has been placed on Eve, but many Christian Feminists have worked to reframe the story, and shift the blame equally between both parties, as both partook of the fruit — javi2541997
Interesting.Some Christian Feminists made the decision to abandon direct scriptural use in their fight for equality, while others relied on verses that opposed patriarchal ideals, pointing out the inconsistencies within the Bible. — javi2541997
What I underdstand --which of course might not be exactly what thow woman had in mind-- is that the Church has to reconsider the ide that God was/is of a male gender. I have talked about the unreasonable attributes given to the Supreme Being that Christians call "God", which besides the gender, include aging, emotions, vegeance/punishment, etc., which make no sense at all for an eternal and superior being.Some Christian feminists believe that gender equality within the church cannot be achieved without rethinking the portrayal and understanding of God as a masculine being. I don't understand the opinion of this woman! — javi2541997
What I underdstand --which of course might not be exactly what thow woman had in mind-- is that the Church has to reconsider the ide that God was/is of a male gender. I have talked about the unreasonable attributes given to the Supreme Being that Christians call "God", which besides the gender, include aging, emotions, vegeance/punishment, etc., which make no sense at all for an eternal and superior being. — Alkis Piskas
Well, the Bible is full of hideous and immoral stories ... — Alkis Piskas
In my Geek Lexikon there's no main definition of "θεός" (pr. theós) (= god) or even a single definition. . Instead it has been interpreted in various ways. Indeed, I have found out that there was none in ancient Greece, and that the word was written and pronounced differently in different parts of Greece. The Greeks did not believe in a single God or that the world was created by some entity. Instead they had the gods and goddesses we all know, representing different types of characters. The idea of a single god --called God or Supreme Being-- the Creator of the Universe was yet to be "invented" by the Judeo-Christian scriptures and this is how we got a male God. Only in a few religions God is of a male gender. Traditional Jewish philosophy does not attach a gender to God. In Hinduism, Brahman represents a principle rather than an entity, so it has no gender.If we try to interpret the lexicon of the word “God”, it seems to me that is not a male word. — javi2541997
Traditional Jewish philosophy does not attach a gender to God. In Hinduism, Brahman represents a principle rather than an entity, so it has no gender. — Alkis Piskas
Right. As I said, there was no God in ancient Greek religion, phiosophy or beliefs. Only gods.Plato doesn't give us a God at all. — javi2541997
Religious authorities, with the support of state authotities, were always and still are persecuting non-believers! One must add this to the other immoralities that are or can be attributed to them, including sexism/misogyny. — Alkis Piskas
Could be indeed an influencing factor. Who knows? — Alkis Piskas
Religious authorities, with the support of state authotities, were always and still are persecuting non-believers! — Alkis Piskas
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