they can always fall back on the irrefutable position that everything can be uncertain, wrong. — Antony Nickles
"I am certain that I cannot be certain." — green flag
If you are making something like a psychological point, then maybe I agree." — green flag
In the case of this thread, my hypothesis is that the fear of solipsism is actually a fantasy of solipsism. — green flag
I am convinced or sure that I can not have absolute irrefutable knowledge. — Antony Nickles
wanted something particular from philosophy, that is a desire, but not a personal "psychological" feeling. — Antony Nickles
it's not clear as it stands why desire is not a personal feeling. — green flag
I am convinced or sure that I cannot have absolute irrefutable knowledge. — Antony Nickles
Who would refute it though ? And what would refutation mean ? If the self is all there is, there is nothing the self can be wrong or right about.
What I was doing with the statement above was re-wording your comment that: "I am certain that I cannot be certain". The skeptic is not "right" that the self is all there is. His truth is that there is no fact to make us certain of others or the external world. We can be all alone in the world; it can be that the world does not meaningfully exist for us.
— green flag
How could logical norms be binding? — green flag
Unless there is something I can be wrong about, what can uncertainty mean? — green flag
This is not a mathematical proof but an attempt to make visible the basic unintelligibility of solipsism. — green flag
I find it ironic that an apparently solipsist is, in fact, such a slave to this imaginary concept of "truth", that shouldn't be possible. ...
I would tell you that reality is an illusion, that everything exists from the perspective of the individual, the individual holds a privileged position to dictate what is and isn't true, and to legitimatize their way of interpreting and characterizing all concepts and things. You would deny that, and talk to me about the harsh nature of reality, and about being unwilling to compromise when it comes to truth. That's your idea of solipsism? What the fuck? — Judaka
I think this other fellow is more on target. — green flag
I would tell you that reality is an illusion, that everything exists from the perspective of the individual, the individual holds a privileged position to dictate what is and isn't true, and to legitimatise their way of interpreting and characterising all concepts and things — Judaka
.You only need to sufficiently doubt the idea [ solipsism ] — Judaka
That said I have been doing the stuff you said for some time since I first read about it, and it worked until I read that post on Quora that day. Now nothing seems to work. — Darkneos
I don't know, the issue I have is this one post on Quora that to me proved it. But i can't remember or find it or know what it was about or what it said.
It's driving me crazy. — Darkneos
This isn’t a choice, though, you’re wrong there — Darkneos
Heh, all I asked is that you challenge yourself and try to change, and yet as predicted, you reject even this and defend the conditions which necessarily lead to your conclusions. This "quora post" is a misdirection that serves to obfuscate the nature of your problem. Your position is that you're a prisoner of an argument you don't even remember, and there's nothing you can do about it? That's insane, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and if you only agreed, it could be so good for you, that's according to you.
I find it ironic that an apparently solipsist is, in fact, such a slave to this imaginary concept of "truth", that shouldn't be possible. If our discussion continued and neither of us changed our position, from an onlooker's perspective, I would appear the solipsist, and you wouldn't.
I would tell you that reality is an illusion, that everything exists from the perspective of the individual, the individual holds a privileged position to dictate what is and isn't true, and to legitimatise their way of interpreting and characterising all concepts and things. You would deny that, and talk to me about the harsh nature of reality, and about being unwilling to compromise when it comes to truth. That's your idea of solipsism? What the fuck?
Can you either link me to a post where you explain what you think solipsism is or outline it for me here? I'm really curious about it now. — Judaka
Well, I accept that 'addiction' of any kind can seem invincible but many have broken such obsessions before. I have never heard an ex-addict ever claim that they are totally free of their addiction or that someone with obsessive compulsive disorder ever fully conquers it but they have reduced such to a level of daily insignificance, that allows them to stop living their life as a curse.
I think my friends personal hell that was triggered by his personal contemplations of the notion of infinity is very similar to your 'solipsism' obsession. He came through his obsession, does that not offer you some hope that you can do the same? — universeness
I think my friends personal hell, that was triggered by his personal contemplations of the notion of infinity, is very similar to your 'solipsism' obsession. — universeness
Yes but that desire is what allows the skeptic to see the truth that we do not have foundational, unreproachable knowledge of others and the world—that the impetus to solipsism is true. Isn’t that what you were looking for, one way or the other?If you take needing certainty for knowledge then you really have nothing. — Darkneos
It's also the most awesome and wonderous adventure ever, imo. — universeness
Now at this point it would feel like I’m lying to myself to say and or pretend other people exist. I can’t live a life like that, pretending I’m feeling something or caring about someone that doesn’t truly feel the same to me. I just can’t imagine living like that. — Darkneos
I know that those current tormented will only be further nauseated by that kind of talk — green flag
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