How does matter arise from consciousness? — TheMadMan
Our consciousness receives seven inputs: the five physical senses of touch, taste, smell, sight, and sound, emotions, and thoughts.How does matter arise from consciousness? — TheMadMan
Well perhaps, except that "consciousness" is no more mysteriously "emergent from matter" than walking is emergent from legs or respiration is emergent from lungs or a symphony is emergent from an orchestra. "Consciousness" is a (higher mammalian) CNS activity, or process, and not a discrete entity. I think the "mind from matter" formulation, therefore, is a pseudo-problem (resulting from assumed fallacies of misplaced concreteness & category error) that's "hard" only for cartesian dualists, ontological idealists & mysterians; for physicalists and/or (most) cognitive neuroscientists, modeling "consciousness" is only a highly complex research project that's still very much a work-in-progress – which demonstrates that "consciousness" is not some simple, quantifiable 'brute fact' like gravity, electromagnetism or vacuum fluctuations.The physicalists have the hard problem of consciousness where consciousness is emergent from matter. — TheMadMan
Good question. :up:How does matter arise from consciousness?
How does matter arise from consciousness? — TheMadMan
There isn't such a thing as a hard problem of consciousness. Chalmer's "Hard problem" is nothing more than fallacious teleological "why" questions.The physicalists have the hard problem of consciousness where consciousness is emergent from matter. — TheMadMan
It doesn't. In order to be conscious of anything, Something must exist in the first place. To be conscious means to be conscious of something. By studying our world we observe properties of matter giving rise to the everything around us...not the other way our.So this question is more towards those who don't find physicalism convincing anymore: How does matter arise from consciousness? — TheMadMan
"God did it" claims do not qualify as good philosophy! Making up substances/entities/agents/primitives by borrowing labels from observable processes is a medieval way to practice philosophy. I thought we were done with Phlogiston, Miasma,Orgone energy, Philosopher's stone etc etc.And in this case consciousness is the ontological primitive, I don't mean wakening consciousness — TheMadMan
Yes they are and its a trap. This is how Pseudo Philosophy sounds You begin with an unfounded assumption (an questionable existential claim...at best) and you drift away from the real goal of Philosophy.(arriving to a wise conclusion with epistemic and instrumental value).There are many other questions that arise from that question so feel free to put the forward. — TheMadMan
Physicalism, materialism, idealism, non materialism are pseudo philosophical worldviews. Why even engaging those pseudo ideas in a philosophical thread?Update: I'm not trying to argue with physicalists here.
As I said this is directed to those who consider the fundamental reality as non-material. — TheMadMan
That's a fallacy. (Poisoning the well) How can you even start a philosophical conversation with an epistemically and philosophically outdated , self refuting assumption? Well you can but its no longer a philosophical discussion.I want to inquire how do you think matter comes to be out of consciousness/mind-at-large/sunyata/the-one/unmoved-mover/etc. — TheMadMan
That is how "matter" arises from consciousness. — Metaphysician Undercover
But I am not the one declaring the existence of "hard problems" in specific field of study that I know nothing about (from a scientific aspect that is)....you are displaying a type of intellectual arrogance by ignoring that epistemology.(and avoiding to answer any of my objections).Brother you need to practice some intellectual humility. — TheMadMan
I am only pointing the obvious, you are free to challenge my statements.Your are just making statement authoritatively not allowing space. — TheMadMan
Logic is hard and it forces rules. Its not my fault though. But again, you are the one who attempts to create an echo chamber by saying " I'm not trying to argue with physicalists here.You talk about doing philosophy properly and yet your statements are monologic. — TheMadMan
I exposed my position to you...now its on you to turn this interaction in to a dialogue.True philosophy is dialogic. — TheMadMan
Correct , the diversity of properties emerging from different arrangements of matter is the amazing thing. Asking "why" this is possible its like a kid asking his mum ....why the sky is blue as if there is a purpose behind it.I think this is the "real" hard problem, actually. The problem is matter in general, not consciousness more narrowly considered. — Manuel
What you are describing as matter is just the physical properties, observed and measured. My question is for all levels of matter that we know, to the quarks. — TheMadMan
By studying our world we observe properties of matter giving rise to the everything around us...not the other way our. — Nickolasgaspar
Correct , the diversity of properties emerging from different arrangements of matter is the amazing thing. Asking "why" this is possible its like a kid asking his mum ....why the sky is blue as if there is a purpose behind it. — Nickolasgaspar
Correct , the diversity of properties emerging from different arrangements of matter is the amazing thing. Asking "why" this is possible its like a kid asking his mum ....why the sky is blue as if there is a purpose behind it. — Nickolasgaspar
Isn't all we know, at all levels, "physical properties, observed an measured"? So, what more are you asking for? — Metaphysician Undercover
Thats what we know on the scientific front.
Im asking philosophically and even experientially. — TheMadMan
Thats what we know on the scientific front.
Im asking philosophically and even experientially. — TheMadMan
Why are you avoiding my challenge? — Nickolasgaspar
Why do you think you can practice meaningful philosophy when ignoring our most credible epistemology on the subject???? — Nickolasgaspar
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