• Ishika
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    Some naturalists argue that the simplicity of the naturalist claim makes it more plausible than that of the theist claim. The naturalist claim is making a uniform claim about the universe, saying that everything in the natural world is created of the same material and that there is no supernatural being that is external to this world that could have created it. On the other hand, theism is making the claim that there is both the natural world and a supernatural being that created it, which is not uniform. They assert that a supernatural being exists outside of this world of nature, which is inconsistent, increasing the likelihood that their claim is untrue. The argument goes as follows:
    1. Uniformity makes a hypothesis more likely to be true.
    2. Naturalism is more uniform than theism.
    3. Naturalism is more likely to be true.
    However, it is objectionable that naturalism is more uniform (or simple) than theism. The naturalist argues that theism does not require uniformity in the world while naturalism does. While the naturalist claims that the things that exist in the natural world are consistent, they fail to acknowledge the inconsistency with the first cause of the universe. It is a natural law that every cause has an effect, so the naturalist must affirm that. Yet, they fail to provide a theory that is consistent with the natural law for how the world was initially created. The initial cause, according to theists, is God. However, naturalists are only able to hypothesize an endless regress, self-cause, or an uncaused first, etc, with no real theory that supports their claim. If they were to choose a claim, it would seem that they would run into a contradiction with their hypothesis, or they would not be able to stay uniform in it. For example, if a naturalist were to claim that the big bang was the first cause, it would seem that they would still need to explain its origins. And to do so, would be to say that it was self-causing, eternally regressing, or had no cause. And all those options are either contradictory to the naturalist hypothesis, or they are impossible to claim in uniformity with the natural world. So, it seems that to avoid contradiction, they would have to make a non-uniform claim that would then put them in the same position that they put theism in. Making the claims comparable in uniformity.
  • 180 Proof
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    While the naturalist claims that the things that exist in the natural world are consistent, they fail to acknowledge the inconsistency with the first cause of the universe.Ishika
    As far as we know, the universe began with a planck radius and events at the planck scale are random (i.e. a-causal), so the claim that 'the universe has a first cause' is, at best, inconsistent with contemporary scientific cosmology.

    It is a natural law that every cause has an effect, so the naturalist must affirm that.
    It's a definition, not a "natural law", of an "effect" that it has at least one "cause". We naturalists, partiicularly of the scientific persuasion, use the term event instead due to the fact of the orders of magnitude predominance of random events in (excitations of) planck-scale fields over non-planck-scale (classical) phenomena such as (e g.) particle interactions and vacuum fluctuations.

    Yet, they fail to provide a theory that is consistent with the natural law for how the world was initially created.
    This is not true. Re: quantum gravity. Besides, all of the demonstable evidence in cosmology and astrophysics supports models that "the universe was not created"(e.g. has higher than predicted structural complexity in the early observable universe).

    The initial cause, according to theists, is God.
    I can't refute this nostrum any more succinctly than Galileo did over four centures ago ...
    The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go.

    Naturalists (including materialists-physicalists) have an unparalleled, unrefuted, track-record of producing knowledge of and about the universe. Whatever its limitations as a philosophical paradigm or scientific methodology, naturalism provides the least consistent accounts for the origin of the universe except for all the other non-natural (e.g. idealist, teleological, supernatural, mythological, etc) accounts given so far. By contrast, theists have only ever produced superstitious fairytales which too many people still live by and console themselves with via ritually pacifying their false fears with equally false hopes.
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