But it has a broader remit than science, because its concerns include the subjective realm, it doesn’t stop at (read: 'include') the analysis of objects and forces. — Wayfarer
That's why all that remains in the realm of groundless speculation and faith. — Janus
Panpsychism is not the conclusion of the p-zombie argument. — frank
The conceivability argument is an epistemic argument against materialism, starting with an epistemological premise and proceeding to a metaphysical conclusion.
...Materialists do not just curl up and die when confronted with the conceivability argument
and its cousins. Type-A materialists reject the epistemic premise, holding for example that
zombies are not conceivable. Type-B materialists reject the step from an epistemic premise to an ontological conclusion, holding for example that conceivability does not entail possibility.
...If panpsychism is correct, there is microexperience and there are microphenomenal
properties. We are not in a position to say much about what microexperience is like.
...I think that constitutive Russellian panpsychism is perhaps the most important form of
panpsychism, precisely because it is this form that promises to avoid the problems of physicalism and dualism and to serve as a Hegelian synthesis. In particular, one can argue that this view avoids both the conceivability argument against physicalism and the causal argument against dualism.
https://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf
But it has a broader remit than science, because its concerns include the subjective realm, it doesn’t stop at the analysis of objects and forces. — Wayfarer
That includes consideration of the human condition and its discontents, few of which are amenable to a strictly scientific formulation, and also where in the general scheme of things humanity belongs (from a broader perspective than is provided by evolutionary biology.) — Wayfarer
Calling it a neural model doesn't explain anything, though? Its like when Dennet calls it an illusion. HOW and WHY are a bunch of atoms able to, together, create a model of the world that manifests itself as such a thing like the sensation of pain? — Francis
Peirce fleshed that out as methodological practice. — apokrisis
But Peirce also includes idealist and vaguely spiritual sentiments that you yourself are inclined to reject — Wayfarer
Panpsychism is not the conclusion of the p-zombie argument.
— frank
You are talking nonsense — apokrisis
The conceivability argument is an epistemic argument against materialism, starting with an epistemological premise and proceeding to a metaphysical conclusiom.
...the point being that his opponents ‘will have to give us some idea of how the existence of consciousness might be entailed by the physical facts’, — frank
What do you make of the emphasis on the 'first person' point of view that started this discussion? — Paine
So now you have to give a good counterfactual reason for why it wouldn't "feel like something" to be modelling the world from a point of view. Where is the scope for reasoned doubt. — apokrisis
Could you explain Apo's point to me? — bert1
Self starts where the world leaves off, and vice versa. — apokrisis
The usual assertions sans support. — apokrisis
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