You are correct about his conclusion fitting the present. But this "I" which "is," is not the same "I" as the "I" which was nanoseconds ago thinking. The "I" is successive. Just as there isnt really a linear narrative, there are only successive nows. — ENOAH
Descarte's discovery was really "thinking therefore is-ing,." It does not rest thus no "am"; it does not rest thus no "I". — ENOAH
Personally, I feel like it's better to think of the cogito as a poem — flannel jesus
So what grants certainty? Is "I must exist in order to think" an inference? Or an intuition?The poem doesn't grant certainty, the poem is just a poem. — flannel jesus
That this poem is stated as concisely at possible for aesthetic purposes, but implies a more complete argument within? — flannel jesus
You were convinced by an incomplete thought?a complete thought — flannel jesus
All of them, or just the incomplete ones?My thoughts grant certainty to me. — flannel jesus
Walk away, then.It doesn't seem very serious to me. — flannel jesus
Sure, something is doing the thinking — Banno
When we conclude that that thought isn't ours and we only have a memory of it, we can no longer conclude that anything exists, as that memory is no proof of anything thinking; if anything, it is proof that I exist, because I am remembering it, and remembering is thinking. — Lionino
why did you laugh at the suggestion from Corvus that you cease to exist when not thinking? — Banno
Because things don't cease to exist when they don't think. — Lionino
My general take is that there is no good way to say what the cogito is trying to say. But at the same time, what it is trying to say can’t be denied. — Fire Ologist
P = I think, therefore I exist.
Q = I don't think, therefore I don't exist.
P - > Q
Not Q (Q is FALSE)
therefore Not P (P is FALSE) — Corvus
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