He didn't charge collusion and he didn't charge obstruction. Just like the jury did not exonerate OJ, it merely failed to find him guilty. We all understand that aspect of how American courts work. Being found not guilty is not the same as being found innocent. — fishfry
“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts, that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."
The Muller report is not a court though, it was meant as a probe to find and discover evidence. It found evidence of obstruction, but it did not find evidence of collusion — VagabondSpectre
You haven't cited any facts in support of your view, — Wayfarer
the office of the Presidency is occupied by a person unfit to hold that office. — Wayfarer
“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts, that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justic, we would so state."
I've decided to stop arguing with this point. I think you should keep it up all the way to November 2020. Reporters on the ground in Iowa and other early primary states report that nobody cares about Russiagate. All the Dems can do is get Trump reelected. Now I'm no fan of Mr. Trump. But compared to what the Dems are offering these days? Not much of a choice, but ... like I say ... keep it up till election day. See how it works out for you. — fishfry
Do you really think that this is just about the elections?No, it's just pointless. Some people are really dug in on this point and it's not productive to argue with them. Impeachment and collusion and obstruction are not the issues on which the election will be decided. — fishfry
It's all a political process and there's an election coming up. — fishfry
Not true. There is indeed evidence of collusion. What Mueller did not find was a prosecutable case for criminal conspiracy. On the latter, there is some evidence that is suggestive of conspiracy when considered in the context of Trump's behavior toward Putin.The Muller report is not a court though, it was meant as a probe to find and discover evidence. It found evidence of obstruction, but it did not find evidence of collusion — VagabondSpectre
Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III wrote a letter in late March complaining to Attorney General William P. Barr that a four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work, according to a copy of the letter reviewed Tuesday by The Washington Post.
There is indeed evidence of collusion. — Relativist
To get the facts straight. Republicans continue to make the false assertion that Trump was exonerated of "collusion". The relevant facts are that there was not sufficient evidence for a prosecutable case of criminal conspiracy, but there was nevertheless a great deal of lying about the many interactions with Russians, as well as obstructive behavior that may have blocked finding the complete truth about conspiracy (particularly the manipulation of Manafort). — Relativist
For "Trump," substitute, "the guy who did unspeakable things to my family." — tim wood
If I may ask: What unspeakable things did Trump do to your family? — fishfry
Unspeakable?If I may ask: What unspeakable things did Trump do to your family? — fishfry
Apparently Mueller wrote to him prior to his testimony to Congress, informing him that his summary-not-summary was inaccurate. — VagabondSpectre
Had Barr's summary fully captured the "context, nature and substance" of Mueller's report, we would call the summary "accurate."Apparently Mueller wrote to him prior to his testimony to Congress, informing him that his summary-not-summary was inaccurate.
— VagabondSpectre
He didn't. He wrote that Barr's summary "did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this office’s work and conclusions."
6h — Michael
He didn't. He wrote that Barr's summary "did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this office’s work and conclusions." — Michael
If I may ask: What unspeakable things did Trump do to your family?
— fishfry
If you're an American you would not need to ask. — tim wood
Likely this sex offender will be exposed later in history books. — ssu
If I may ask: What unspeakable things did Trump do to your family?
— fishfry
Why must it be personal and not what he has done, oh, say, to immigrant families by separating kids from parents? — Benkei
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