I will define duty as: a feeling of obligation brought about by expectation that is irreducible; it exists only as a meta-construction - as recursive and a sum of its parts - and yet it is a very basic concept understood by pretty much everybody…The best leaders know that duty begets duty — ToothyMaw
Why do I hear marching music in my head when I read this? — Joshs
Some say that the people might need to rise up in the United States because we are increasingly having to choose between fascism and neoliberalism - all the while the oligarchs line their pockets. — ToothyMaw
I will define duty as: a feeling of obligation brought about by expectation that is irreducible; it exists only as a meta-construction - as recursive and a sum of its parts - and yet it is a very basic concept understood by pretty much everybody. — ToothyMaw
everyone craves duty — ToothyMaw
The best leaders know that duty begets duty. — ToothyMaw
I contend that duty is perhaps the single strongest motivator for action I can think of — ToothyMaw
The paths of glory at least lead to the grave. The paths of duty may not get you anywhere.
duty ... exists only as a meta-construction - as recursive and a sum of its parts — ToothyMaw
I contend that duty is perhaps the single strongest motivator for action I can think of, whether it is duty to the tribe, an ideal, a spouse, etc., and should be nurtured wherever it exists to good ends. — ToothyMaw
But you have a moral obligation by virtue of all the good you could do - and no one gives a damn if playing the game makes you uncomfortable. — ToothyMaw
Some say that the people might need to rise up in the United States because we are increasingly having to choose between fascism and neoliberalism - all the while the oligarchs line their pockets. — ToothyMaw
I contend that duty is perhaps the single strongest motivator for action I can think of, whether it is duty to the tribe, an ideal, a spouse, etc., and should be nurtured wherever it exists to good ends. — ToothyMaw
Motivation comes from inside. — T Clark
A desire to avoid the judgment of others. — T Clark
Generally, though, when people start talking about "duty" I detect the acrid odor of social control. — BC
I will define duty as: a feeling of obligation brought about by expectation that is irreducible — ToothyMaw
If duty is such a strong motivator, and one such duty is to do good, why are the current circumstances so in dire need of "rising up"? Has that duty of good-doing been inactive until now? Was it impotent? — Judaka
Are you saying that we all are predominately motivated by a sense of duty or do you just mean to say that we all introject some sense of duty and that ideally it should supersede all other motives if, on account of our social natures, we want to thrive? Or are you making a categorical Kantian-type claim that reason itself issues the imperative that duty be paramount? — Janus
duty ... exists only as a meta-construction - as recursive and a sum of its parts
— ToothyMaw
I'm sorry, but I won't die for a meta-construction, even a recursive one. — BC
A laughable OP. Only, it's no joke. — Banno
If duty is such a strong motivator, and one such duty is to do good, why are the current circumstances so in dire need of "rising up"? Has that duty of good-doing been inactive until now? Was it impotent? — Judaka
duty is a conceptually odd critter. Your duty is what you ought to do; and what ought you do? Your duty, of course. It doesn't get us anywhere. Indeed, looking at how "duty" is usually used, it's more about what other folk think you ought do than what you think you ought do. "It's your duty" is used to cajole folk into acting against their own better judgement. — Banno
I contend that duty is perhaps the single strongest motivator for action I can think of, whether it is duty to the tribe, an ideal, a spouse, etc., and should be nurtured wherever it exists to good ends. — ToothyMaw
Soldiers, office clerks, garbage men, engineers - everyone craves duty, and those who can deliver the correct conditions are the most potent agents. Some say that the people might need to rise up in the United States because we are increasingly having to choose between fascism and neoliberalism - all the while the oligarchs line their pockets. — ToothyMaw
And yes, I do maintain that duty is the most powerful motivator, as it can override just about any other consideration if the human is manipulated correctly. Remember the Third Wave experiment? — ToothyMaw
I contend that duty is perhaps the single strongest motivator for action I can think of, whether it is duty to the tribe, an ideal, a spouse, etc., and should be nurtured wherever it exists to good ends.
— ToothyMaw
As others have indicated,↪Banno, ↪T Clark, this is really incorrect. I would characterize the motivator for action as "ambition", or even "spirit", but that's just my personal preference of words. The important point is that the motivator has personal a base, not a relation to something external like "duty". — Metaphysician Undercover
"Duty" is better described as a director of action rather than a motivator of action. A person with no sense of duty might still be highly motivated to act. — Metaphysician Undercover
What do you think "everyone craves duty" actually means? People crave things, and this may or may not influence their ambition. It "may not" influence their ambition in cases of people who are lazy, or something like that, and so they still do not act on their cravings. But how would you say that "duty" relates to what people crave? Not only do I see no necessary relation here, but I see no relationship at all, due to the subjective nature of individuals and cravings. It's just like as if you are saying 'everyone craves chocolate ice cream'. It's really wrong on multiple levels. — Metaphysician Undercover
If the "Third Wave experiment" supports what you say, then maybe you need to describe it. — Metaphysician Undercover
I'm calling out the leaders, not the people. And yes, I do maintain that duty is the most powerful motivator, as it can override just about any other consideration if the human is manipulated correctly. Remember the Third Wave experiment? In that instance it was used to harm, but such manipulations can be used for good. Many, if not most, of us have grown complacent, and good leaders with the peoples' best interests at heart need to intervene - before a nasty, fascistic one does. — ToothyMaw
Nowhere do I say that duty is what one "ought" to do, but rather is a subjective motivator that can be manipulated by good leaders to good ends - which is what I'm actually advocating for here. — ToothyMaw
So duty is a kind of noble lie, then? — Moliere
Why do I hear marching music in my head when I read this? — Joshs
. If one is genuinely trying to instill a sense of duty for a good, substantial reason, then no. — ToothyMaw
These concepts can be real to one person and not another and it doesn't diminish the importance of duty to those who are attuned to it. — ToothyMaw
I will define duty as: a feeling of obligation brought about by expectation that is irreducible; it exists only as a meta-construction - as recursive and a sum of its parts - and yet it is a very basic concept understood by pretty much everybody. What the obligation is, how intense the feelings are, and what expectations give rise to those feelings is variable, but there is what I see as a common thread: proximity to worthy causes and charismatic leaders. — ToothyMaw
I say that the right people in the right positions to lead need to stand up and allow us some redemption. — ToothyMaw
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