I think this is the crux of the matter, and is debatable. (Is there a difference between epistemological justification and justification simpliciter?)In the above example, Al was not really epistemologically justified in believing Bob committed the crime. He may be justified in believing that Bob was the more likely culprit, but he should have suspended judgement until further information was gathered. Before the police report, Al was unjustified, so his belief was lucky, but in the average JTB sense, not in the Gettier sense. — Chany
I think there are some assumptions in your statement which need to be examined. Most theories of knowledge do not require certainty to qualify (if only for the reason that we could hardly be said to "know" anything, when it seems apparent that we know a great deal).It depends on what you mean by 'know'. Does anybody ever really know anything in the empirical sphere (in the sense that it is absolutely impossible that they could be wrong)? — John
Yea, I agree that that was a bit wordy, but I wanted to forestall any questions as to how one knows that Bob did in fact take the money. But yes, from our "God's eye view," we could just take it as given.I don't think you need most of paragraph 3 of you're just trying to build a Gettier case. You just need "Bob in fact stole the money." — Srap Tasmaner
I agree: the point of the post was to ask whether this was in fact a Gettier case, not to examine Gettier cases in general. So it does turn on whether Al was justified in believing Bob was the thief. I am inclined to believe that (1) Al did possess at least some justification (even if weak), but (2) Al did not know that Bob was the thief at the time he initially formed the belief. Obviously, (1) and (2) are not mutually consistent given a JTB conception of knowledge, so something has to give.Your case seems to turn on whether Al's belief was really justified, whereas Gettier cases usually try to make this airtight. This may be case of epistemic luck, but it feels more like, "I'll bet it was him" than the Gettier type.
I am inclined to believe that (1) Al did possess at least some justification (even if weak) — Arkady
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