Knowledge is only belief. — Chet Hawkins
So I could/should rest on that statement alone as it is incontrovertible.
But the quislings out there will want to retreat behind 'facts' and 'knowledge' delusions. So, it's best I turn my hat around and address the concepts more thoroughly.
But let's take this outside. — Chet Hawkins
So, perhaps we are more kindred spirits waiting to fight and then we end up drinking a beer together talking about ex girlfriends.although I also think that much of what is generally considered to be knowledge might be more accurately classed as belief. — Janus
The latter type of 'fact' is BETTER in some way than other 'facts' are. — Chet Hawkins
Well you walked into this one:An important but vague claim. — Leontiskos
Ah but of course it does. You have to do some of the work!In the sense that it provides no information about how or why some facts are better than others. — Leontiskos
That is the single statement (among others) most able to show that I already did that work.That is TRUE and more factual than most facts, because as a part of that fact we ALREADY INCLUDE the flexibility that fact is only belief. — Chet Hawkins
No I meant what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. My feets is already there.(And I assume you mean "controvertible" rather than "incontrovertible") — Leontiskos
No, not quite.So are you saying that a fact which claims to be nothing more than a belief is better than a fact that claims to be something more than a belief? — Leontiskos
Knowledge is not knowing and the word 'to know' is stupid therefore. It implies a failure in understanding. — Chet Hawkins
What distinguishes a 'fact' from a belief is that THAT PERSON ONLY (<--- yup) has decided… — Chet Hawkins
As a matter of fact, 'facts' are always wrong in some way. — Chet Hawkins
There are three levels in there.
Knowing
Fact
Belief — Chet Hawkins
I fairly well agree. When I spoke of knowledge in that sense I erred. That is to say, colloquial knowledge, what most people call knowledge is only a well of beliefs, a set of beliefs.It would better be put “there is only belief.” Or “there is no knowledge.” — Fire Ologist
This is a bit like saying Magnus Carlsen's chess games are chess games. Well, yes. But ithey are rigorously arrived at games, showing great skill. Chess isn't particular about something else. But in the game of believing, the beliefs are about things. They lead to useful activities and skills applicable to all fields of life, or they don't.The creation of this thread is motivated by a claim made by Chet Hawkins:
Knowledge is only belief.
— Chet Hawkins — Janus
Some methodologies are better than others. — Bylaw
Knowledge consists of truths or not-yet-falsified claims the statuses of which are independent of dis/belief. — 180 Proof
If you take JTB (above) into the picture then that's an argument against it because belief only is insufficient.Chet says that statement is incontrovertible. I would like to see an argument to support that contention. — Janus
It also can't get noticed that some things we consider - pretty much regardless of group - that we know now, we later realize we were wrong about, and this includes in the history of science.It can't go unnoticed how various people "know" things that contradict what other people "know" as well. — flannel jesus
I think better would be: not demonstrated false - by some well justified argument. JNFBThe T in JTB is kinda awkward. If someone says they believe something, they're already saying they think it's true. — flannel jesus
The former is a subset of the latter. Different people/groups have different reasons for saying this batch of beliefs over here, they've got promise or they sure seem to be working so far or they fit X and Y really well and those over there don't fit it so well and those over there we can't make sense of to even tell.I think there is a valid distinction between knowledge and belief, — Janus
You only know stuff that's true. — Banno
So, is it ok to say we know, knowing we may in fact not know? — Bylaw
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