When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument?
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid? — Vera Mont
Is justification the same as reason, apology, exculpation, defense, plea, rationale, rationalization, pretext, excuse - or something else? — Vera Mont
What criteria do you use when judging someone's justification for a policy or a course of action? Is it different from the criteria you apply to justifications for an isolated act? — Vera Mont
When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument?
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid?
Examples from any area of experience would be helpful. — Vera Mont
I think that would count as a mitigation or perhaps excuse. It doesn't justify the act; it only explains the motive.A strong justification could be an individual selling drugs to fund medical care for a dying family member. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Yes.It would be arguments that the individual/s that done the wrong were not fully to blame, or that we should be more lenient on them. — Down The Rabbit Hole
In which case, selling drugs would have to be judged on a case-by-case basis: which drug, to whom, under what circumstances; how did they use it, what affect it had. Doesn't that require a lot of usually unavailable information? How does the dealer justify it to a jury?n consequentialism the goodness or badness or an action is judged wholly by its consequences. — Down The Rabbit Hole
How does the dealer justify it to a jury? — Vera Mont
All kinds of different situations call for justification. It might be defense of a philosophical argument in an academic setting; it might be a confrontation with a spouse or employer who questions a decision; it might be advocacy for an allocation of funds in a city council; it might be criminal trial.Very, VERY different question that shifts the entire conversation to a different goalpost (not sure you intended to do that - just being clear why its not addressed here). — AmadeusD
No, you can't 'lump' individuals - they're all separate - and the plural of anything does not make 'a case'. You might be able to make a single case for a particular kind of situation, but you would first have to show how all the specific instances have enough commonalities to justify their being considered as a single case.But, you can lump individuals as 'a case'. — AmadeusD
In which case, selling drugs would have to be judged on a case-by-case basis: which drug, to whom, under what circumstances; how did they use it, what affect it had. Doesn't that require a lot of usually unavailable information? How does the dealer justify it to a jury? — Vera Mont
In which case, selling drugs would have to be judged on a case-by-case basis: which drug, to whom, under what circumstances; how did they use it, what affect it had. Doesn't that require a lot of usually unavailable information? How does the dealer justify it to a jury? — Vera Mont
Ahem.I set no 'goalposts' — Vera Mont
justify it to a jury — Vera Mont
o, you can't 'lump' individuals - they're all separate — Vera Mont
I like this explanation. Will have to reflect on it.So the point is that justification is intrinsically social. Negotiation is to be expected as there is a balance always to be struck between the generality of social norms and the particularity of every individual's circumstances. And thus what we should expect living in a pragmatically moral social order is this balance between globalised constraints and individualised freedoms. — apokrisis
True. in the specific case, as an answer to an example. Not a goalpost; not in the OP.Ahem.
justify it to a jury — Vera Mont
This is a Neon Green goalpost, totally different to personal justification. That's my point. And it's correct. — AmadeusD
I didn't understand it that way, though someone else might have. Okay. How does one justify a career in drug-dealing? I assume you take into account the drug and the customer-base.When i say "lump individuals" I am talking about that individual's drug-dealing career as a 'case'. Not several individuals. Sorry if that was unclear. — AmadeusD
Hoe do you judge a dealer's scruples in retrospect, not having witnessed his sales? It's up to him or his advocate to offer a justification, explanation, excuse or mitigating circumstance.whereas a dealer who does not unscrupulously sell drugs may need a more thorough analysis — AmadeusD
Then individuals should be free to act in whatever way they choose within those globally-understood bounds. — apokrisis
True. in the specific case, as an answer to an example. Not a goalpost; not in the OP. — Vera Mont
Okay. How does one justify a career in drug-dealing? — Vera Mont
Hoe do you judge a dealer's scruples in retrospect, not having witnessed his sales? It's up to him or his advocate to offer a justification, explanation, excuse or mitigating circumstance. — Vera Mont
Interesting. Makes morality sound like a problem of maximizing entropy under constraints. — Apustimelogist
What criteria do you use when judging someone's justification for a policy or a course of action? Is it different from the criteria you apply to justifications for an isolated act?
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid? — Vera Mont
A two-step criterion: (1) performative self- consistency, if an action/policy is not, then the relevant, problematic inconsistency should be exposed and possibly reformed; (2) efficacious harm-prevention/reduction, if an action/policy is not, then It should be opposed and/or replaced with an evidently more efficacious alternative.What criteria do you use when judging someone's justification for a policy or a course of action? — Vera Mont
I don't know what you mean in this context by "isolated act".Is it different from the criteria you apply to justifications for an isolated act?
I rely heavily on (to the best of my ability) non-fallacious, defeasible, sound reasoning.When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument?
Whenever a moral agent acts/doesn't act (re: harm) or a public/private institution enacts policies which affect the public (re: injustice) I think are grounds for requiring justification.On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid?
When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument? — Vera Mont
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid? — Vera Mont
What criteria do you use when judging someone's justification….. — Vera Mont
In a legal situation, it is not. One of the very common situations in which we find ourselves having to offer justification for our actions is the legal arena. Dealing drugs is very clearly against the law - unless you have a pharmacist's license. A court of law is where such matters are decided by other people. The hypothetical honest criminal may justify his action in his own mind. Different criteria are applied externally and internally.The justification is purely one toward the individual's moral compass. — AmadeusD
Terrific summary!Simple policy, few objects needed, justification is enough objects and reasonings to show murder is bad so policy against it is good, or functional, and so justified, and we are done. — Fire Ologist
That was my premise: we can - and do - apply it to everything. Not just moral and legal issues, but personal hyginene, opinions, financial decisions.Before applying this to morality, and justifications for policies or actual individual acts, we can apply it to simply knowledge. — Fire Ologist
Yess! Clear, coherent and logical.A two-step criterion: (1) performative self- consistency; if an action/policy is not, then the relevant, problematic inconsistency should be exposed and possibly reformed. (2) efficacious harm-prevention/reduction; if an action/policy is not, then It should be opposed and/or replaced with an evidently more efficacious alternative. — 180 Proof
I meant to distinguish the agenda of a publicly constituted entity, such as a board of education, from the idiosyncratic one-time behaviour of an individual - say, pissing in an alley.I don't know what you mean in this context by "isolated act". — 180 Proof
Is justification the same as reason, apology, exculpation, defense, plea, rationale, rationalization, pretext, excuse - or something else? — Vera Mont
When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument? — Vera Mont
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid? — Vera Mont
Examples from any area of experience would be helpful. — Vera Mont
Is justification the same as reason, apology, exculpation, defense, plea, rationale, rationalization, pretext, excuse - or something else? — Vera Mont
What criteria do you use when judging someone's justification for a policy or a course of action? Is it different from the criteria you apply to justifications for an isolated act? — Vera Mont
When justifying your own actions or statements, according to what factors do you formulate your argument? — Vera Mont
On what grounds do you decide whether a justification is appropriate and valid? — Vera Mont
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