It seems that many here are under the mistaken impression that Christianity is and always was monolithic. — Fooloso4
You can either get accused of being a coward or else of being a brute. Feel free to pick your poison. — Tarskian
So, yeah, I would say that it is better to have a reputation of being a 'coward' than act as a 'brute'. — boundless
Many more are under the impression that there are no good historical or theological reasons to hold that Mormons are not Christians. I hope your post was not yet another non sequitur argument for that idea. — Leontiskos
Paine was responding to Art48, and there is no evidence at all that he was limiting Christianity to Nicean or Chalcedonian Christianity. — Leontiskos
it is a very late phenomenon for self-identified Christians to identify Jesus as a mere man. — Leontiskos
(4:22)Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, my firstborn.
All of the disputes among early Christians were about what sort of non-mere man Jesus was. — Leontiskos
Under pagan influence the Hebrew בן (bên) came to take on different meanings. — Fooloso4
the idea that the kingdom is within. — Fooloso4
Then, there is the second-order one: Regardless of whether you are yourself a coward or a brute, do you prefer to be surrounded by cowards or by brutes? — Tarskian
What does this have to do with the topic at hand? — Leontiskos
Suppose you came to believe that Jesus was just a man. How would you proceed? What would you do? Make a choice and explain why. — Art48
This is the topic at hand, and it is addressed to christians. — unenlightened
I grew up in a Protestant tradition and the insistence upon a single path was heard by me in all of its cacophony. I do take the teaching that 'identity', on that level, is between me and my maker. It is not an explanatory principle for many other things. — Paine
This is simply not true. This is why I pointed to the use of the term son in the Hebrew Bible. It is used many times both in the singular and plural. It often refers to kings and rulers and never means a god. — Fooloso4
The disciples, Paul, and other Jewish followers did not believe that Jesus was a god. — Fooloso4
Have you now reduced a historical question to an exegetical question? The number of ex-Protestants in this thread is not coincidental. — Leontiskos
Have you now reduced a historical question to an exegetical question? — Leontiskos
The number of ex-Protestants in this thread is not coincidental. — Leontiskos
Paul incorporates Jesus into the Hebrew Shema in places like 1 Corinthians 8:4-6. — Leontiskos
the image of God in 2 Corinthians 4 — Leontiskos
(4:6)God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.
(Genesis 1 :26)Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
the name of God in Philippians 2. — Leontiskos
(9)?God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name
On its face this is both exactly wrong and nonsensical, even making me think the writer has never been to the US - or in a Protestant church. But perhaps I misunderstand or misread, and he will clarify. Maybe start with what he means by "narrow-minded"?What I find in the U.S. is that Protestantism tends to be narrow minded, — Leontiskos
But that's a key issue with religion. It's innate subjectivity and relativism. I also grew up in the Protestant tradition. Baptist. We were taught that all religions were a pathway to the divine. We were also taught that the Bible was an allegorical work and not intended to be taken literally. — Tom Storm
The problem with this of course is what to do with the Jesus story. And given the tedium of the Bible as literature (for my taste), why not pick something more engaging as a source of allegory? The Great Gatsby, perhaps? It even ends in sacrifice, execution and redemption. — Tom Storm
Not being a brute' is hardly the same as 'being a coward'. If 'not being a brute' means to be 'non violent', I hardly see how being 'non violent' is being a coward. — boundless
http://www.worcestershireregiment.com/shot_at_dawn.php
Shot at Dawn
Offences under the British Army Act, which resulting in a court martial with a sentence to be shot at dawn included alleged acts of cowardice, desertion, sleeping at post, casting away arms and disobedience.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-by-stefan-ihrig-and-islam-and-nazi-germanys-war-by-david-motadel-1421441724
‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?”
Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.”
This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
Except during the Battle of the Warsaw Ghetto in 1944, Judaism did not encourage the Jews either to put up a fight. It was all too easy to mass transport them to the extermination camps. — Tarskian
- Matthew 16:17Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Luke 22:2929 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Probably the most basic evidence for Jesus' claim to divinity is the fact that the Jewish authorities arranged to have him executed for blasphemy.* Someone who does not understand the Jewish context of the New Testament should presumably start there. — Leontiskos
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