The more the government is pulled-back, the more apparent it will become that it is unnecessary and actually counter-productive: that it facilitates the very things we - the people - think it's needed to prevent. — Clearbury
And, regardless, you've ignored the point I've made about firms enforcing rights -- even if we "gradually" get there your reliance upon private property and contracts makes it such that the state will be reinvented. How else do you enforce contracts other than threatening jailtime? — Moliere
When it comes to financial crises, governments stepped in. They gave gamblers giant amounts of other people's money. Was that a good thing? — Clearbury
That's totally reasonable. But not all things are so easy to buy as the service when your lightbulb has gone out. Safety and the perception of safety in a community is one. This is why it's not anymore just a service that an individual can decide to have or disregard. For example, you can go on a trip without travel insurance, but what about your car insurance? That's also for when you drive lousily and wreck somebody else's car. Of course, you can opt not to have a car.Yes. I 'hire' electricians. If an electrician just decides to change a lightbulb - without asking me - and then bills me and threatens me with violence if I do not pay, then that's UNJUST. — Clearbury
What if, as a private security company in an anarchy, I decide to extract payment with menaces? That is, I operate like a mafia? Well, those whom I threaten would hire another security company to protect them - to protect them from such menaces. — Clearbury
We don't have state issued shoes. If we did, they'd be awful.. — Clearbury
Imagine there are two supermarkets near you, one is run by a really nasty piece of work. It pays its employees poorly and has a reputation for treating them badly and for treating customers badly as well. The other doesn't. Which one would you shop at? The nice one, of course. Most nice people would, anyway. — Clearbury
The private sector will provide all of those things. Anything a government provides, the private sector can provide. There is no invisible obstacle preventing private companies from building prisons. If enough people want to pay a company to imprison some people, a private company - private companies - will emerge that will bid for their business. Or, chances are, some much more efficient way of dealing with rights transgressors will be developed. — Clearbury
It's people who come up with solutions, not governments. And violence is something people are capable of using. The point is that it will be used more sparingly and justly in an anarchy than it will be if we all decide instead that just one tiny group of people get to determine when and where to use it. — Clearbury
Yes, I'll hire my private security company, you hire yours, Moliere will hire another, ssu another, etc.. Then these companies will each be operating for different private interests and a street battle will be inevitable. — Metaphysician Undercover
Does this site have anyone on it who can actually read what someone says rather than attack strawmen of their own invention? — Clearbury
yes, because those street battles between competing supermarket chains and banks are really common — Clearbury
Battles are expensive. The private sector hates them. Politicians love them....
Price wars is what you'll get. — Clearbury
Sorry to have to burst your bubble, shatter your illusion, but reality just is not like this. — Metaphysician Undercover
Did you read my post? I didn't say anything about competing supermarket chains, or banks. I said something about individuals who hire competing private security companies for private interests. — Metaphysician Undercover
Safety and the perception of safety in a community is one. This is why it's not anymore just a service that an individual can decide to have or disregard. For example, you can go on a trip without travel insurance, but what about your car insurance? That's also for when you drive lousily and wreck somebody else's car. Of course, you can opt not to have a car. — ssu
Omg! Apply it to them. As I said, I can't really discuss things with someone like you. — Clearbury
People like that aren't worth the bother because they're just a lot of work - one has to try and educate them, which isn't why I'm here - — Clearbury
Most people have no idea just how bad the police are at solving crimes, — Clearbury
Lack of competition of what? The legality of the laws and legal system?the state's existence depends on fear and people's misguided assumption that there are some things - protecting our basic rights - that the state does best. Upon recognizing that this is simply false - that the state police are really awful at their job (due to lack of competition) - as well as unjust is the first step. — Clearbury
Well, in my country they write books and make documentaries about unsolved murders. That's how rare unsolved murders are in my country. I guess last Century there was about ten-twelve or something like that in my country of 5 million. Less than 20 murders were done last year, to give you a comparison. But when my car was broken into, they didn't do anything. Something for the insurance company. Hence the severity of the crime is where police focus.Most people have no idea just how bad the police are at solving crimes, for we rarely if ever need them. — Clearbury
Punishment is far different from defense. Defending your life or home is legal. Giving punishment is really another thing. That's really not a right for you to become the judge and make your own laws.Even as individuals we are not allowed to protect our own rights if we so wish. I have a right to punish those who violate my rights, but the state prevents me from exercising that right. — Clearbury
Well, I view anarcho-capitalist libertarianism as a prime example how once a successful ideology (that is liberalism here in question) has achieved it's logical and most justifiable goals, the next "waves" in the thinking that want to go further, simply in the end make it all very silly. Just look at where modern feminism is now after second, third and fourth waves after the Suffragettes. Not many women support the objectives of the fourth wave.In being an educator you need to assume that the person to be educated has no knowledge of the subject which you profess. Therefore you need to start from the basics, make them very clear, and then move on to the specifics. You are doing the opposite, starting form some very specific assumptions, but then you cannot show any general principles which would support these specific assumptions. — Metaphysician Undercover
a monopoly over violence — ssu
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