"Thou goest to women? Do not forget thy whip!"— (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 18. Old and Young Women)
In my heart do I love only Life—and verily, most when I hate her!
But that I am fond of Wisdom, and often too fond, is because she remindeth me very strongly of Life! (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 32. The Dance-Song)
Thou witch, if I have hitherto sung unto thee, now shalt THOU—cry unto me!
To the rhythm of my whip shalt thou dance and cry! I forget not my whip?—Not I!”— (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 59. The Second Dance-Song)
A plaything let woman be, pure and fine like the precious stone, illumined with the virtues of a world not yet come.
Let the beam of a star shine in your love! Let your hope say: "May I bear the Superman!" (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 18. Old and Young Women)
Surface is woman's soul, a mobile, stormy film on shallow water.
Man's soul, however, is deep, its current gusheth in subterranean caverns: woman surmiseth its force, but comprehendeth it not.— (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 18. Old and Young Women)
So, my question is, how do you interpret the quote? — Daniel Sjöstedt
It is an interesting thing, but I doubt most people were great womanizers back in the day.Frantic Freddie never had much luck with women. His sister in particular. Perhaps he was referring to self-flagellation. — Ciceronianus the White
So, my question is, how do you interpret the quote? — Daniel Sjöstedt
And now accept a little truth by way of thanks! I am old enough for it!
Swaddle it up and hold its mouth: otherwise it will scream too loudly, the little truth."
"Give me, woman, thy little truth!" said I. And thus spake the old woman:
"Thou goest to women? Do not forget thy whip!"—
Thus spake Zarathustra.
Hammering, the barking of dogs, and the crying of children are horrible to hear; but your only genuine assassin of thought is the crack of a whip; it exists for the purpose of destroying every pleasant moment of quiet thought that any one may now and then enjoy.
It is an interesting thing, but I doubt most people were great womanizers back in the day.
Agustino — Agustino
[For me true romance would be lovers working together at their shared, highest ambition. They might co-write a movie or a scientific paper or play in a band together. But this kind of compatibility is like winning the lottery.] — foo
"Thou goest to women? Do not forget thy whip!"— (Thus Spake Zarathustra, 18. Old and Young Women) — Daniel Sjöstedt
Yeah, I remember some writer somewhere saying that the ideal relationship is when you have the couple moving in parallel to a shared goal, as opposed to focussing on each other. Having kids is obviously the most common shared goal for humanity, and a powerful one, with lots of depth and room for development - and in fact that process of a shared project of raising kids is what seems to lead to the deeper kind of love that's born of mutual respect that you sometimes see with old couples. — gurugeorge
The selection method of romantic love, on the other hand, seems to rely on trusting some kind of innate ability for nature to decide wisely - I have in mind something like maybe the hormonal "smell" of a partner triggering some kind of deep-seated calculation in the brain, that the child resulting from intercourse will be well-formed? Something like that anyway. IOW, maybe our brains are wiser than we know in that area. — gurugeorge
But other than that, I think generally that the "sexual revolution" was pretty disastrous. Sex is not a toy, it's a nuclear weapon, and that's why societies have always hedged it about in various ways with various taboos and restrictions. It was wise to look at the matter rationally, and perhaps tinker with reforms here and there, to protect individuals' negative rights better; but it wasn't wise to just ditch all the evolved patterns completely. — gurugeorge
My hunch is that your own experience of the alienness of other races preceded and justified your embrace of the genetic explanation. — Joshs
If you disagree with the statement I quoted, — Joshs
So the practical consequence of a genetically driven vs strictly culturally driven origin of social differences would be in how they dictate expectations concerning the capacity of particular ethnic groups to approach the type and level of political and intellectual functioning of other groups.
For instance, use of government incentives to encourage one group to catch up to another would appear pointless if the cause of the inequality was believed to be genetic. — Joshs
It was stiflingly narrow-minded, and I perceived more social friction there than in my Chicago neighborhood — Joshs
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