I think I was clear with what I said. If you are not in Australia then you cannot experience Australia.So do you agree that experience cannot be said to exist? You either have it, or don't have it. You can only have experience of something if you had perceived something from the empirical world. You can only be aware of your own experience. No one else's. I don't have a single scooby clue what experience you have. I just know of my own. — Corvus
Feeling pain is a sort of experience and I am not talking about concept here.It is just feeling the pain, not experiencing it. Experience happens when I conceptualise the pain from the memory, and tell someone about it. I experienced the pain of getting kicked. You seem to confusing between feelings and concepts. — Corvus
But visual and auditory perception are sorts of experiences.It is the same thing. When I watch movie, I am having visual and auditory perception. — Corvus
Experience is a conscious event that contains information, whether it is perception, recalling memory, having emotion, etc.Experience is an abstract mental state, which is a concept. It is not sensation or perception. — Corvus
Feeling pain is a sort of experience and I am not talking about concept here. — MoK
I don't jump into a thread where the OP has been engaging discussion with the other folk. It wouldn't be fair to the party criticised by more than one debater, whoever happens to be criticised, supported or condoned in the debate.Could you please continue this discussion in another thread? — MoK
Well, frankly I don't know anything about your experience, hence it would not be meaningful to agree your experience exists. X cannot exist, if X passed and belong to the past, or if X is unknowable. So "MoK's experience exists." would be a meaningless statement to me, unless MoK tells me what the experience is about MoK was meaning.Me, you, etc. — MoK
I have no problem being criticized by many. It would be nice of you if we could continue this discussion in another thread since our discussions relate to that thread and your question could be a question from others.I don't jump into a thread where the OP has been engaging discussion with the other folk. It wouldn't be fair to the party criticised by more than one debater, whoever happens to be criticised, supported or condoned in the debate.
That action would be like ganging up with others like the gangs in the streets, and wouldn't be fair for the lone defender. It would not likely yield true and fair conclusions, and anyone ganging up in the debates are not neutral or genuine debaters. Waiting for 1:1 engagement is my etiquette in debates. I am quite happy to wait, and take things easy and slow. — Corvus
Correct.You know philosophical debates not all about proving one is right and the other is wrong, one is better than the others, one knows more than the others etc. That would be pointless psychological masturbation.
Philosophical discussions are for pursuit of fair truths by all parties involved in the discussions motivated by mutual fairness, good spirits and eudaimonia. — Corvus
Yes, let's focus on you. Could we agree that you are an agent and have certain experience?Well, frankly I don't know anything about your experience, hence it would not be meaningful to agree your experience exists. X cannot exist, if X passed and belong to the past, or if X is unknowable. So "MoK's experience exists." would be a meaningless statement to me, unless MoK tells me what the experience is about MoK was meaning.
I know my own experience which need to be conceptualised into linguistic form, if someone wants to hear about it. — Corvus
You seem to have strong psychology. Cool man. :up:I have no problem being criticized by many. It would be nice of you if we could continue this discussion in another thread since our discussions relate to that thread and your question could be a question from others. — MoK
Am I an agent? No, I am just a bundle of perceptions.Yes, let's focus on you. Could we agree that you are an agent and have certain experience? — MoK
You seem to have strong psychology. Cool man. :up: — Corvus
MoK a Dragon, what do you expect? — Arcane Sandwich
So you are an idealist. So you are not made of physical?Am I an agent? No, I am just a bundle of perceptions. — Corvus
How could you have memory? Memory must be stored somewhere.Do I have certain experience? I do. But I need to dig out the past events which are dead and gone now from my memory, and then package into concepts called experience. — Corvus
How could you construct any coherent thoughts if you are mere perception? Any coherent thought requires a memory of ideas you experienced in the past. It also requires a process on the memory as well.It is a kind of reduction of the past memories into the conceptualised concept called experience. — Corvus
What is the mind to you?Does it exist? Experience only exists in one's mind. Could we call it as existence? You tell me. — Corvus
I am not an idealist. I don't belong to any of these isms. My ideas are flexible depending on what topics we are talking about. I am perceptions means that when I try to find my own self, all I can find is a bundle of perceptions about me i.e. perceptions on the body and the content of mind. There is nothing called an agent in me at all. You need to read Hume's A Treatise of Human Nature to understand this point.So you are an idealist. So you are not made of physical? — MoK
There is no place called memory. Maybe there is biologically and physically, maybe you can locate where the memory functions happening in your brain. But I suppose it would be a topic of brain science, rather than Metaphysics.How could you have memory? Memory must be stored somewhere. — MoK
Again you need to read "A Treatise of Human Nature". Everything that appears in your mind is perception including ideas and impressions on the external objects in the world, the contents of memories and imagination, feelings and sensations, emotions etc. They are all types of perception.How could you construct any coherent thoughts if you are mere perception? Any coherent thought requires a memory of ideas you experienced in the past. It also requires a process on the memory as well. — MoK
Mind is, again, a bundle of perception. If you don't have perception, then you don't have a mind. You just have a body. Mind needs its body where it is generated from. When the body dies, the mind evaporates too.What is the mind to you? — MoK
I didn't say that there is an agent in you. I said whether you are an agent by this I mean you are physical with a set of properties.I am not an idealist. I don't belong to any of these isms. My ideas are flexible depending on what topics we are talking about. I am perceptions means that when I try to find my own self, all I can find is a bundle of perceptions about me i.e. perceptions on the body and the content of mind. There is nothing called an agent in me at all. You need to read Hume's A Treatise of Human Nature to understand this point. — Corvus
The existence of memory is very relevant to the philosophy of the mind.There is no place called memory. Maybe there is biologically and physically, maybe you can locate where the memory functions happening in your brain. But I suppose it would be a topic of brain science, rather than Metaphysics. — Corvus
That is called recalling memory.When I can remember something, I call that function of mind as memory. — Corvus
Correct.The object which is remembered is called "the content" of memory. — Corvus
I call all of these experiences rather than perception. Please do not offer me to read a book on a topic that does not address my points.Again you need to read "A Treatise of Human Nature". Everything that appears in your mind is perception including ideas and impressions on the external objects in the world, the contents of memories and imagination, feelings and sensations, emotions etc. They are all types of perception. — Corvus
So, how could you have coherent thoughts and memory if the mind to you is just a bundle of perception?Mind is, again, a bundle of perception. If you don't have perception, then you don't have a mind. You just have a body. Mind needs its body where it is generated from. When the body dies, the mind evaporates too. — Corvus
I only offered the Original Text by Hume, because it answers everything you have been asking about.I call all of these experiences rather than perception. Please do not offer me to read a book on a topic that does not address my points. — MoK
I thought it was obvious. This is what I mean. The answer is in the book by Hume "A Treatise of Human Nature". Having not read it causes folks in confusion and mystified state of their knowledge on the obvious facts. Thoughts are also perception. :)So, how could you have coherent thoughts and memory if the mind to you is just a bundle of perception? — MoK
I didn't say that there is an agent in you. I said whether you are an agent by this I mean you are physical with a set of properties. — MoK
Could you please quote a part of his book on this matter or elaborate on your understanding of his book?I thought it was obvious. This is what I mean. The answer is in the book by Hume "A Treatise of Human Nature". Having not read it causes folks in confusion and mystified state of their knowledge on the obvious facts. Thoughts are also perception. — Corvus
No, I didn't. I asked whether you are an agent. By agent I mean you are physical with a set of properties. So, again, are you an agent? Yes or no.Of course you did. But as I am not an agent, I was looking around me, and in me and in my mind to see if I am an agent. I couldn't find any impressions or ideas matching an agent at all. At this point, I was wondering what made MoK to imagine I was an agent. — Corvus
No, I didn't. I asked whether you are an agent. By agent I mean you are physical with a set of properties. So, again, are you an agent? Yes or no. — MoK
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