• MoK
    1.2k
    The mental state of experiencing doubt is not something special that sets it apart from other mental states.Truth Seeker
    It is special. If we accept the mental phenomenon of doubt, we can conclude that options are real.

    We experience many sensory perceptions, thoughts and emotions. They are all produced by our brain activities.Truth Seeker
    Yes, brain states are subject to change and are deterministic. The question is how doubt can arise from the brain, considering that it is a deterministic object.
  • Truth Seeker
    753
    The mental state of experiencing doubt is not something special that sets it apart from other mental states.
    — Truth Seeker
    It is special. If we accept the mental phenomenon of doubt, we can conclude that options are real.

    We experience many sensory perceptions, thoughts and emotions. They are all produced by our brain activities.
    — Truth Seeker
    Yes, brain states are subject to change and are deterministic. The question is how doubt can arise from the brain, considering that it is a deterministic object.
    MoK

    No, doubting is not special. You clearly don't understand how the brain works. Please read "Being You: A New Science of Consciousness" by Anil Seth and "Determined: Life Without Free Will" by Robert M. Sapolsky. If you have any questions while reading these books, please ask here and I will do my best to answer them.
  • MoK
    1.2k
    No, doubting is not special.Truth Seeker
    The doubt is special as I argued.

    You clearly don't understand how the brain works. Please read "Being You: A New Science of Consciousness" by Anil Seth and "Determined: Life Without Free Will" by Robert M. Sapolsky. If you have any questions while reading these books, please ask here and I will do my best to answer them.Truth Seeker
    I have been working and reading on the philosophy of the mind for several years. Well, it seems to me that is an end to the discussion.
  • Truth Seeker
    753
    No, doubt is not special. Just because you claim it to be special does not make it so. Have you read the two books I recommended?
  • MoK
    1.2k
    No, doubt is not special. Just because you claim it to be special does not make it so. Have you read the two books I recommended?Truth Seeker
    I know enough about the philosophy of the mind and I don't need to read another book on the topic.
  • Truth Seeker
    753
    You want to remain ignorant instead of learning something new. How fascinating! I am not blaming you or crediting you. If I or another organism had your genes, environments, nutrients and experiences, I or another organism would have the same thoughts as you because we would be identical to you. No one deserves any blame or credit for anything.
  • MoK
    1.2k
    You want to remain ignorant instead of learning something new. How fascinating! I am not blaming you or crediting you. If I or another organism had your genes, environments, nutrients and experiences, I or another organism would have the same thoughts as you because we would be identical to you.Truth Seeker
    I am not ignorant of the topic. I have no time to read a book that denies the reality of free will. Philosophers of mind still struggle with the Hard Problem of consciousness. I am wondering how then could address free will when they are unsure what consciousness is!
  • Truth Seeker
    753
    You want to remain ignorant instead of learning something new. How fascinating! I am not blaming you or crediting you. If I or another organism had your genes, environments, nutrients and experiences, I or another organism would have the same thoughts as you because we would be identical to you.
    — Truth Seeker
    I am not ignorant of the topic. I have no time to read a book that denies the reality of free will. Philosophers of mind still struggle with the Hard Problem of consciousness. I am wondering how then could address free will when they are unsure what consciousness is!
    MoK

    I am not a philosopher. I am a scientist. We make voluntary choices but our choices are never free from determinants, constraints and consequences. The so-called Hard Problem of Consciousness is not actually all that hard. It's a philosophical construct, nothing more. You could claim that I am a Philosophical Zombie. It would be impossible for me to prove to you that I am a conscious being. Just because it is impossible to prove to others that I am conscious, it does not mean I am a Philosophical Zombie. Philosophical Zombie is yet another philosophical construct, nothing more.
  • MoK
    1.2k
    I am not a philosopher. I am a scientist. We make voluntary choices but our choices are never free from determinants, constraints and consequences. The so-called Hard Problem of Consciousness is not actually all that hard. It's a philosophical construct, nothing more. You could claim that I am a Philosophical Zombie. It would be impossible for me to prove to you that I am a conscious being. Just because it is impossible to prove to others that I am conscious, it does not mean I am a Philosophical Zombie. Philosophical Zombie is yet another philosophical construct, nothing more.Truth Seeker
    Let's say that we disagree and put an end to this discussion. Thanks for your time.
  • Truth Seeker
    753
    As you wish. Thank you for your time and posts.
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