• wonderer1
    2.3k


    So it seems you prefer to use the word "signs" where many other people are inclined to use the word "information". E.g. instead of someone saying that she is going to "gather information", you would prefer that she say she is going to "gather signs"?

    I'm curious to hear, where you want to go with this?
  • Patterner
    1.4k
    I've only read the OP so far. Apologies if I'm repeating what's been said.
    Does the information appear in our minds when we read our PC screen? Neither would be the case, is my theory. We function as another reader who transcribes and in which effects arise in our learned language and in our cognitive apparatus that in turn affect us as an organism.JuanZu
    I'm not sure how you mean all of this.

    Elecktra's first appearance was in Daredevil #168.
    I was born in 1963.
    The V of V in the key of C is the D chord.
    Richard the Lionheart died because a wound in his shoulder from a crossbow went gangrenous.
    The US once had a 20 cent coin.

    Surely there's something on that list you did not know a minute ago. The information is now in your mind, and it's there because you read your computer screen.
  • Bodhy
    37


    Because, information the way scientists tend to use it is an abstract, operationalized notion of information, Shannonian information. This is a measure of information which omits meaning and semantics, and also context - For Shannon information, it doesn't matter who sent the message, what they meant, how it was sent, and who receives it. All that matters is the intrinsic entropy of the signal, how much uncertainty there is in it and how many bit flips we need to reduce that uncertainty.

    Information in its richest full blooded reality, is semiosis, meaning. Information really is informare, to "put form into" - what we encounter as conscious agents is signs, signs which mean something for us as interpreters, not some abstract notion of information.
  • Rocco Rosano
    58
    RE: Information exists as substance-entity?
    SUBTOPIC: What is information?
    ⁜→ Bodhy, et al,

    (Alternative Opinion)

    • Information is not a "substance" of any kind; no matter what you are.

    • Information is not an "entity" either in reality or the supernatural.

    Information the way scientists tend to use it is an abstract,Bodhy
    (COMMENT)

    Scientists do not have a single way of using the term information:

    In terms of "Cognitive Science," → information is used to convey that (whatever it may be) for processing in terms of a network of interconnected units operating.

    Then there is "Communication Theory" the term is used to convey some measure of intelligence. This is not to be confused wth 'Information Science' in which various technologies are used to convey intelligence.

    Information in its richest full blooded reality, is semiosis, meaning. Information really is informare, to "put form into" - what we encounter as conscious agents is signs, signs which mean something for us as interpreters, not some abstract notion of information.Bodhy
    (COMMENT)

    I agree that the term "information" can be defined and used in this manner. In fact → I would go so far as to say it is a very common usage.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
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