As the Buddha taught us, accepting inherent suffering is crucial, because there is no way around it. — Martijn
Today, I would like to discuss a concept prominent within philosophy and religion: the nature of suffering. I'd like to share my view on this concept and would love to hear different perspectives, where others may agree or disagree, or point out my blind spots. — Martijn
There seem to be three layers of suffering: inherent, literal, and mental. I shall delve into each of these in this post, to explain what I mean by these 'layers.' — Martijn
Life is fleeting and often a struggle for most animals and other life forms. Survival means struggling, competition can be brutal, we all grow older, weaker, and more fragile over time, and death is inevitable. — Martijn
Literal suffering mainly refers to pain or external events that literally harm you. — Martijn
Unlike the other two forms of suffering, mental suffering is fully within one's control. — Martijn
Here in the West, we don't teach this to our children, as we instead teach others to not bully, or to rely on authority figures to solve problems. In truth, this enables weakness and a victimhood complex, and it leads to disastrous consequences like suicidal ideation in teenagers. — Martijn
Many people have children due to their biological imperative, which is all too reasonable, yet we seldom question the deeper motives. Do people desire to have children to leave behind a legacy, or create purpose? — Martijn
Unlike the other two forms of suffering, mental suffering is fully within one's control. — Martijn
Although I do still believe there is inherent suffering on Earth, the amount each human suffers on a day-to-day basis is different based on an innumerable amount of factors, most of which are beyond our control. — Martijn
Staying alive is work. A living organism that does nothing will wither and die eventually. We all need energy, nourishment, and rest. Try to stop sleeping and see where it leads you, or starve yourself intentionally, and you will die. I am talking at the deepest, fundamental level at which life works in our universe. It's a rebellion against entropy, which is fascinating and beautiful in my opinion, but also harsh. — Martijn
Every day, millions (if not billions) of living organisms are killed to nourish others (mostly humans), — Martijn
Those who experience suffering first-hand, especially at a young age, typically awaken much earlier to this harsh truth. If your life is all pleasant, easy, and fair, then life seems like paradise. Until your parents pass away, or your best friend silently leaves you, or your partner cheats on you, and then you don't know what to do, because your worldview was shattered. — Martijn
This is also why creating a genuinely fair, just, and meaningful world is so important. Humans are intelligent, cooperative, adaptive, and creative enough to create a world that is in accordance to our needs, where we genuinely care for each other, we don't discriminate, we don't condone violence or racism, and so on...
...Why don't we create a world where we are free again: free to love, to be ourselves and to be different, free to create meaningful and beautiful art, and free to explore the wilds again. Why can't we return to our legacy..... — Martijn
But we now live in a competitive free-for-all, and it's been absolutely disasterous to our spirit. It is not normal that millions of people suffer from mental illness, or physical health issues like obesity, or the immense loneliness that so many feel, or the disconnect and agitation between the sexes. — Martijn
Pain is not suffering but i'd classify it as some part of it. If you injure yourself physically, don't you suffer physically aswell? Pain can be a broad concept but I was mostly referring to literal or physical pain, like injuring yourself in a literal sense. — Martijn
deluding ourselves that life is always fair and nice. — Martijn
Inherent suffering. Suffering seems to be inherent to life, — Martijn
Unlike the other two forms of suffering, mental suffering is fully within one's control. — Martijn
Unlike the other two forms of suffering, mental suffering is fully within one's control. — Martijn
Unless they have a mental illness. — Tom Storm
I genuinely believe society itself is ill, not just me. — Martijn
think a more precise statement could be "mental suffering is a form of psychological suffering caused by dissatisfaction with experience." — Ourora Aureis
You seem to agree with this but simply disliked the term 'dissatisfaction'. If I'm misunderstanding you, could you provide some reasoning for why you believe my statement is imprecise? So far I agree with the statements you've given. — Ourora Aureis
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