• Kizzy
    161
    Hello World! And greetings to you! And to you, travelers on the twisting and ever turning path of philosophy.

    For years now, I have been a quiet scribe (for the most part) while navigating this space. As I, until now, have only posted or shared my thoughts, often unprompted and at random times, barging in ongoing discussion threads in comment replies. Nonetheless, those discussions where I refrained and have silently followed along and kept commentary private, I steadily am admiring the vibrancy of those who so impressively share and exchange ideas by using their communication skills, consistently setting the bar high for quality and informative insights on specific topics. Many have delivered and maintain to, at a high level, hold a standard here when it comes to substance of a post. I want it to be well known, I acknowledge and respect those that take that time to put together such valuable discussion posts, especially proposing it digitally and publicly for all to take in from a screen displayed before us on whatever device at/on hand.

    My contributions, perhaps, have often been less about presenting the polished declaration and more a raw current of thought. A “thinking-aloud” as some have observed. I admit, my words have at times flowed untamed, a stream of consciousness seeking not a definite point, but rather a deeper resonating point of reference within the vast depths of human inquiry. At first, I took it personal that some have found this disorienting, even “incoherent,” mistaking my efforts for articulation and my genuine interest for a lack of focus.

    BUT, I believe, to truly understand—sometimes one must step beyond the rigid stances, structures of the obvious and into the subtle, unedited landscape of the mind. My aim has never been to present some pre-packaged argument or defend a tailored hypothesis. Instead, I offer raw glimpses into the process of philosophizing, a journey of discovery which often and in this case, begins without a map and seeks NOT the easy answers, but the profoundness in the questions that lie beneath the surface.

    Today, in my debut discussion post I propose an unveiling. An invitation to step into a shared spotlight of our origins on this forum and maybe perhaps a glimpse into the truer currents binding us. I call this endeavor: THE PHILOSOPHY FORUM FILES.

    These “files” are not to display my ideas, critiques, or judgements. They are, rather simply, years of a meticulously kept records from my personal notes—a messy chronicle of the moments, phrases, and the profound (often overlooked) insights that have moved me, and surely others thanks to..., those within this bright community with such abilities, agendas, and obvious like minded passions.

    I consider this a testament to the fact that genuine philosophy, to me, is not about reciting historical doctrines, or intellectual gymnastics but about the very act of doing it. Of living and breathing the questions.

    SO, I invite you, those whom have in them a specific kind of courage. A willingness to start to peel back the very first layer of your presence here, in order to eventually reveal more deeply OUR purpose, here.

    How many of you are willing to share and post in this thread the initial email you sent to Jamal, the very message or part of it at least, that granted you passage into this “invite only” collective?

    This is an opportunity to reveal the raw, unadorned essence of what first drew you to this place. To show US the personality, the character, the very soul that sought an intellectual communion. Or did this place, find you? I want to know more now that I am curious to see who is willing to truly be seen in this spotlight.

    Superstar!

    It's my pleasure to kick things off with the very email [see below] that initiated taking my self taught philosophy journey to the next level. I was beginning to realize then, and more surely adhere to it now, how the destination was never here, and that it did not exist. It is/was/will be more of an endless path towards nothing [no thing] except a surety in self. A feeling. Feeling certain and stronger about and in a "knowing," from/in/with self discovery disguised as a guide. A guiding that takes effect when it comes to us then, after the fact, but before each step towards some thing. With trust, faith, guts, and a knowing--that I am right where I ought to be, because I was on track to be that and will continue on a track, path, yellow brick road-trip to and from Vegas. Nothing to fear or loathe that we can't already foresee for ourselves coming. At last, to continue on my path for as long as time gives and vice versa is a blessing in itself! As above, so below<3
    August 18th,2022 at 12:52 pm
    To: ""
    Subject: Joining the Philosophy Forum - Invitation Request
    Body: "Hello,
    I am looking to expand my communication skills when it comes to philosophical thoughts and ideas. I am fairly green when it comes down to the history of philosophy, verbiage/terms and scholarly debates. However, I’m dedicated to learning more and polishing the way I get my inner dialogue and thoughts onto paper space and into words that those listening can follow. I have been frequenting the site for a few weeks and didn’t even attempt to comment or post on a topic. Just being able to follow along with discussions that are posted by daily active users and learn from them how to (or how to not) communicate such deep thoughts, theories, ideas, information, etc. is helpful and exactly what I am seeking/plan to get out of this site.
    The Philosophy Forum is a tool that will help me on my journey to discover my own philosophy. I like to believe everyone has their own philosophy, even if they don’t know it. It took me a little longer to realize that and that my brain was philosophizing without even knowing the definition of philosophy. Becoming aware of that realization was a beautiful moment. Fleeting. I want to capture and acknowledge moments like that as often as possible, and it helps in my favor that I love life, people, and all the experiences that go along.
    Which is why I would like to join the forum, I can handle having these discussions with people face to face much easier than I can articulate online. I wonder why the questions and answers everyone shares can be simple yet, they can also be extremely difficult and everything in between. I look forward to dissecting that thought on my own terms and in my own mind. I know the answers I seek are here for me.
    .…but what is the answer when there are no more questions? Philosophy is entertaining my brain all the time. Is that enough though? I say yes….but isnt that why we are on this website? What are we looking for? What answers are we seeking? What are we getting from answers we discover? Is that good enough? Are we bored? This email is briefly not brief. Balance. Who cares? I will if I am not invited back. I googled “online philosophy community or groups” and it lead me here. Simple. I plan to enjoy the forum for what it is worth.
    Thank you!!!"


    And NOW, for a further sighting into the deeper layers of TPF FILES – a small offering to pique curiosity. From my private notes, a record spanning almost three years, containing references to many of you. Below, feel free to reveal THE INTEL to see the list of usernames that have appeared within these notes, along with the raw count of how many notes exist referencing them. (not the exact times they have been mentioned as that shall unveil itself in/with/from good time) [note: this does not include the PAGES of drafts I have saved on TPF, only my individual virtual "sticky notes" where the members quotes were used, others may be mentioned elsewhere] This list is in an order but not specifically of any sort known at this moment, besides only the fact that they all together have created a swirling constellation of influences:

    THE INTEL
    Reveal
    SatmBopdsa-1
    Mikie-2
    jgill-2
    Pantagruel-2
    Agent Smith-2
    TheMadMan-1
    I like sushi-2
    Andrew4Handel-1
    180 Proof-7
    Gregory-5
    Gnomon-1
    PhilosophyRunner-1
    Count timothy von icarus-5
    JEFFJO-1
    Srap Tasmaner-1
    Bob Ross-6
    Philosophim-6
    wonderer1-3
    Michael-5
    Jack Cummins-2
    Chet Hawkins-13
    saac-3
    Tom Storm-4
    Fooloso4-1
    Vera Mont-2
    Art48-1
    Banno-6
    Leontiskos-5
    echogem 222- 2
    Ludwig v-3
    ENOAH-3
    Joshs-1
    praxis-2
    Dawnstorm-1
    Patterner-2
    benj96-1
    Richard B-5
    Metaphysician Undercover-7
    Christoffer-1
    Nickolasgaspar-1
    unenlightened-2
    ucarr-6
    Deus-1
    Chesire-1
    Bartricks-1
    Treatid-2
    Captain Homicide-1
    Angelo Cannata-1
    Fire Ologist-4
    lil lion boy-2
    Sam26-2
    NOS4A2-1
    RougeAI-1
    javi2541997-1
    bert1-3
    Bodhy-1
    Dogbert-1
    mp2020-3
    AmadeusD-2
    jkop-3
    Wayfarer-5
    T Clark-2
    Hanover-1
    Harry Hindu-1
    mok-1
    Swanty-2
    RussellA-3
    Corvus-1
    fdrake-2
    frank-3
    Outlander-1


    The connections, specific quotes that ignited a thought, the arguments that shaped a new perspective, these details will for now remain veiled. Stay tuned for the entries that follow this introduction, a look further into the intel above, perhaps a "Quote Log" with fragments of the quotes from some of those above. This is an experiment in understanding, in connection, in philosophizing in action.

    Are you prepared to go into the deep end? It may show you, what I felt from the start, maybe that feeling is what prompted me to start this archive of references. This feeling grew with the time spent here, and the fact I felt the need to take note of this, and date when, where, why they were recorded by sharing my raw thoughts which with hindsight only display more evidently HOW I was moved and from that a direction is knowable. A destination does not exist. Here, I plan to share and hopefully explain in this, the unseen currents of thought that flow and is flowing beneath the surface of our discussions here on The Philosophy Forum. I extend this invitation to those that are...willing and ready to not just accept it, but use it.

    I bought the ticket, and I'm taking the ride.

    Welcome to TPF FILES. Consider this not just another thread, but a vault.


    This is just the intro, not quite what I'd consider "the first entry" or "Entry 001," which is only the point where from/of many may exist. This idea, has been only an idea for quite some time. I have been putting together over the last week, potential entry prompts that continue this thread discussion with a mysterious purpose. And based on how this is received--"it" from this OP will conceive a discussion/s that were co-created. By accident or design?

    Entry 001 is yet to be set completely free and at this point I have at least five planned out but how I will be presenting them depends on how this one takes. The first entry and following entries will all be shared within this thread as parts that build up to the greater whole. We decided when and what that is...

    Thank you,
    Kizzy


    “Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant.” — Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
  • javi2541997
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    Kizzy... Kizzy... my mate you are doing spooky stuff.

    Jokes aside.

    First, not all of us sent an email to Jamal to join TPF. I joined this site in 2021, and by that time, you didn't need an 'invitation' to join. You just create a user and then sign up. The invitation guideline came after, I guess, one year later. So, there are a large number of users who never sent an email to Jamal. This has led to recent users, I guess.

    I feel pleased that I appear in your famous files or notes. Now, I am also a bit scared. I only hope that you haven't targeted me for unknown reasons, or you are planning to threaten me because you have sensitive information about me. No, I don't think so. You are not that kind of person. But I am not going to lie: I feel now a bit intrigued. What might Kizzy have about me? :chin:

    My very first layer of my presence here is not very interesting, and it is plagued by spelling errors:

    Reveal
    Hello there, nice to meet you all.

    Since 2019 I am studying and perfecting the philosophical path of empiricism. When I read for the first time John Locke’s An Essay Concerning Human Understanding I remember an interesting debate he had back in the past through letters with other thinkers/philosophers. This is much as I can remember:

    If we block a child in a room all of his childhood teaching him the green colour while is actually yellow. Will he name all of his life “green” when he would actually see yellow? In this topic John Locke answered this is a perfect empirical experiment so he put the following sentence:
    What you are trying to say is that complex terms like colours are not innate because we can teach children to misunderstand mixing them. I guess this is the same example of fearness. You can feel the fear because previously someone taught you what is darkness, witches, demons, etc...

    Well this is why I am asking you if an abstract vocabulary like colours are an example of empiricism. I guess we can not categorised the colour patterns if someone previously said to us “that what you see is red, orange, white, etc... because we in our world and system consider this art patterns as our order”
    It is more complex of seeing the art as a white/black figure and its relatives. I meaning why it was born naming the red colour as “red” for example.

    Thank you.


    This is a great "vault" as you stated. Looking forward for revealing more secrets. :wink:
  • Kizzy
    161
    First, not all of us sent an email to Jamal to join TPF. I joined this site in 2021, and by that time, you didn't need an 'invitation' to join. You just create a user and then sign up. The invitation guideline came after, I guess, one year later. So, there are a large number of users who never sent an email to Jamal. This has led to recent users, I guess.javi2541997

    I wondered this, as the entry passage to the forum has even changed since my initial email. I remember we used to be able to refer a few people a month or something like that. Hm, I will have to edit my main question a tad but I think I will, thanks to your reply, be able to redirect the initial post towards opening the discussion to those from new levels. The times, or levels, or versions of TPF method of entry or order of ops is something I didn't consider, at first.

    The timeline of the place itself.... any users with an account made in 2021 and earlier, have an entry point...BUT it was a different process, not any less important than those who needed an invite, coming from our own search or yearning... Some were referred and some sought to get the invite on their own by emailing Jamal...that doesnt mean that those with similar desires to be apart of this group are any less interesting (to me)

    I feel pleased that I appear in your famous files or notes. Now, I am also a bit scared. I only hope that you haven't targeted me for unknown reasons, or you are planning to threaten me because you have sensitive information about me. No, I don't think so. You are not that kind of person. But I am not going to lie: I feel now a bit intrigued. What might Kizzy have about me?javi2541997
    No, no. I tried to make it clear this is not an attack or targeted move by any means. This was created in a positive light. I have no intentions of any foul play towards any potential future users who reply or from/ in the name drop. I am pretty spooky, so that tracks! Please, don't worry! I can tell you what it is, what I have about you from what I have gathered from you!

    But first, I think and find the mention of John Locke to be of relevance, especially considering you, your mind state, and status in that time, 2021 I suppose, when and where you emerged onto the scene.

    In this topic John Locke answered this is a perfect empirical experiment so he put the following sentence:
    What you are trying to say is that complex terms like colours are not innate because we can teach children to misunderstand mixing them. I guess this is the same example of fearness. You can feel the fear because previously someone taught you what is darkness, witches, demons, etc...
    javi2541997

    Oh and the fact that "fear" is mentioned in Lockes response you shared, tickled me, as I mentioned "fear and loathing in las vegas" in my post....perhaps a reach. Fair. But it still got a giggle out of me.

    Either way, this only tells me more about what it is, I have of you. I, too, still to this day get confused with talks of redness, colors, eyes, the brain, human nature, the world we see with the senses perfectly built into our bodies to serve a purpose or do a job.... and what we were taught/how we learn or absorb.... Thank you for sharing, my friend. A great start. I appreciate you!

    No fear! Talk soon.

    Javi, I will say, the note I have is kind of recent...and in it mentions user, that I have left off the list, karl stone. I did not add his name to THE INTEL because the note was not from a direct quote of his, but yours! He deserves this honorable mention, though, for sure!
  • javi2541997
    6.4k
    The times, or levels, or versions of TPF method of entry or order of ops is something I didn't consider, at first.Kizzy

    Yeah, doesn't matter, Kizzy. You started this thread with good manners, and it is a great and interesting OP. I thought you should know that TPF worked differently back in the day.

    Please, don't worry! I can tell you what it is, what I have about you from what I have gathered from you!Kizzy

    Haha. I know, I know, dear friend. I was joking. It is very intriguing that some can have an opinion on me in that way. I mean, thanks to your notes or files, I realised that I exist for someone. Dude, thank you so much. I don't know if it is really related, but I remember that the last summer we talked to each other through private messages, and it was fun. It might be related to your files or maybe not... time will tell us.

    But first, I think and find the mention of John Locke to be of relevance, especially considering you, your mind state, and status in that time, 2021 I suppose, when and where you emerged onto the scene.Kizzy

    I agree. Good point. But I have changed a lot since then. I perfectly remember why I started my first OP. By that time, I was very interested in British empiricism. It has been fun since then, and I met awesome people here. Yet it is true that I also had negative experiences with a few users. But nothing that had torn me apart!

    Javi, I will say, the note I have is kind of recent...and in it mentions user, that I have left off the list, karl stone.Kizzy

    Nice! This is like playing Cluedo. Is there a further clue to consider?
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    13.9k
    How many of you are willing to share and post in this thread the initial email you sent to Jamal, the very message or part of it at least, that granted you passage into this “invite only” collective?Kizzy

    As javi2541997 has indicated, in the olden days we didn't need an invite. I think Jamal initiated that invitation only practice to keep out malicious bots and things like that.

    I see that I have the lucky number "7" beside my name. I take that as a good sign.

    Are you prepared to go into the deep end?Kizzy

    Personally, I think maybe you've gone off the deep end. Have you got nothing better to do with your life?
    Hmmm, I guess that could be asked of any of us who hang around here.
  • Kizzy
    161
    Personally, I think maybe you've gone off the deep end.Metaphysician Undercover
    Cannonball! Just keep on, thinking.... :brow:

    Have you got nothing better to do with your life?
    Hmmm, I guess that could be asked of any of us who hang around here.
    Metaphysician Undercover
    I see you couldn't refrain from getting a little jab in, there! OUCH!

    Does my activity here, that you thought of so shallowly, really come off to you as ever consuming my life? As if you would know anything of it...Although, I am glad you thought "(hmmm)" about it and mentioned that, that is true for the usual daily posters. I think the same thing some times... BUT that aint me?! I am going out dancing tonight!

    BUT it was NICE to hear from ya MU...
    Your concern has been kindly archived: FILE 404-Insight Not Found

    Ha! This is going to be fun!

    Nice! This is like playing Cluedo. Is there a further clue to consider?javi2541997
    Yes! The game didn't even begin yet. Keep an eye out for Entry 001.

    Lets play nice! (Yeah, I am talking to you MU :razz: )
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    13.9k

    I always play nice. In my mind, if it's not nice, it's not play.
  • jgill
    4k
    these details will for now remain veiled.Kizzy

    What a shame.
  • javi2541997
    6.4k
    Yes! The game didn't even begin yet. Keep an eye out for Entry 001.Kizzy

    I'm hooked.
  • Sir2u
    3.5k
    Many of us came here as refugees after being thrown into the ether when our old home was invaded and closed down to us. We did not, as others have pointed out, have to send emails.
    But I am glad they started that system, fewer bothersome people and less work for those poor torment souls that work so hard as moderators. :up:
  • RogueAI
    3.2k
    RougeAIKizzy

    Who da fuck is that? :lol:
  • jgill
    4k
    Who da fuck is that?RogueAI

    AI with too much makeup.
  • Kizzy
    161
    Who da fuck is that? — RogueAI


    AI with too much makeup.
    jgill

    Lmao! I will fix that. The changes made to that first post/list will be called out, dated, and clearly acknowledged separately within that post if/when any significant edits, or additional info is added. I am going to make sure I didn't miss or screw up any others, while I am at it. If I did, those changes will be made all at once, along with your corrected username. Thanks for calling that out.
  • Kizzy
    161
    Many of us came here as refugees after being thrown into the ether when our old home was invaded and closed down to us. We did not, as others have pointed out, have to send emails.
    But I am glad they started that system, fewer bothersome people and less work for those poor torment souls that work so hard as moderators.
    Sir2u
    Hey Sir2u, thanks for commenting. If you dont mind, I have follow up questions below. I appreciate you sharing what you have already but what can you expand on from the quote above? You can answer one or all of the questions I have for you, in whichever manner you'd like. OR you could ignore them and me fully, if you rather.

    However, I am interested in hearing more from you based on the overall time you've spent here (and there) and from what you said initially, I think there is more to it and YOU. So, I look forward to your response, as I find it may be relevant to the way this discussion will be unfolding.

    What was the old home like? Thrown into the ether? What do you mean? Who is "we" and who is "they"? What happened to the others that weren't refugees but active on the old home? How did it come to be decided (for you) to come here instead? Do you remember why you were drawn to the old place to start with? How did you discover it and why was it called "home" to you? Do you think it was worth picking back up here after it was closed down for those same or similar reasons? What do you get from here, that you didn't get from the old home? Vice versa....what do you miss about the old home, that you do not get here?

    IS this still considered a "home" for you? Are you seeking connections or comfort from discussing topics with like-minded people? Or something else? Like a family or support? How have you changed in 10 years and does that/those change/s reflect similarly to your engagement here? If so, how has it (your engagement here) different from the way you did before? What have you learned about yourself and does that have to do with how you define "home,"? What is "home" to you, really? And why do you think, you stuck to that feeling of being "home" before?

    I see that you only have one discussion post, but lots of comments since you've joined 10 years ago. That is telling in itself.

    What is/was the first post that moved you to comment, if you can remember or recall? What topic/s caused you to share your first comment? What does it tell you about you from your latest
    interests and most recent contributions? What hasn't changed?

    Thank you,
    Kizzy
  • RogueAI
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    That's all right. I was just trying to be funny. Thanks for fixing it, though!
  • javi2541997
    6.4k
    Yes! The game didn't even begin yet. Keep an eye out for Entry 001.Kizzy

    Kizzy, where is the Entry 001? Should we keep waiting and have more patience?
  • jgill
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    Many of us came here as refugees after being thrown into the ether when our old home was invaded and closed down to usSir2u

    I was on a superb climbing forum (supertopo) for several years until it shut down. Topics like Zen and consciousness along with climbing discussions. Quite varied. I've enjoyed this forum, especially mathematical threads, having been a practitioner for eons.
  • Sir2u
    3.5k
    OR you could ignore them and me fully, if you rather.Kizzy

    Err, thinking about it. :rofl:

    I think there is more to it and YOU.Kizzy
    Of course there is, but this is a public place so we cannot go into too many details.


    What was the old home like?Kizzy

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180314085305/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

    Thrown into the ether? What do you mean?Kizzy

    The ether, the great emptiness of the internet.

    Who is "we" and who is "they"?Kizzy

    "They" was the asshat that bought the old forum and the "we" were the faithful followers of Paul's forum.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180207173703/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/10/

    What happened to the others that weren't refugees but active on the old home?Kizzy

    There was basically no activity on the old forum after the new owners got there. Many of us moved over here to the new refuge that was so nicely set up for us. The rest of them, who knows what happened to them?

    Do you remember why you were drawn to the old place to start with? How did you discover it and why was it called "home" to you?Kizzy

    I had been hanging around the old forum for a while before I finally joined. Where I live I spend most of my time speaking Spanish with workmates or Spanglish with my students, I needed a place to keep my English and sanity functioning correctly.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20160325032927/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/members/sir2u-16849.html

    Do you think it was worth picking back up here after it was closed down for those same or similar reasons?Kizzy
    Yep

    What do you get from here, that you didn't get from the old home? Vice versa....what do you miss about the old home, that you do not get here?Kizzy

    Lots of things are more or less the same, just in a different format. Ten years ago there were more of us from the old forum, some have died, some have just disappeared some of us still hang around. I think that the old ShoutBox was better, it was at the top of the main page and was used for quick co0mments about anything from the starting of wars to what someone had for lunch.

    How have you changed in 10 years and does that/those change/s reflect similarly to your engagement here? If so, how has it (your engagement here) different from the way you did before?Kizzy

    I got older!! And busier. And I have recently started with problems with my eyes.
    I work from home now instead of going into work, same place but different position. I spend too much time on the computer and the internet, managing the school platform and several other web sites, so I don't really get to spend a lot of time doing things like coming here now.


    What is "home" to you, really? And why do you think, you stuck to that feeling of being "home" before?Kizzy

    Home as in the place I prefer to be when in the internet with the people I prefer to be with. I have no time for farcebook, lockedin, or X (previously known as twatter)

    I see that you only have one discussion post, but lots of comments since you've joined 10 years ago. That is telling in itself.Kizzy

    What does it tell you?

    What is/was the first post that moved you to comment, if you can remember or recall? What topic/s caused you to share your first comment? What does it tell you about you from your latest interests and most recent contributions?Kizzy

    I wish I could remember.

    What hasn't changed?Kizzy

    The fact that people are the same as before, some good, some bad, and the rest of us.
  • javi2541997
    6.4k
    Maybe this will give you some insight to the early days of TPF.Sir2u

    I felt nostalgia reading the thread even though I wasn't a member back then.
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