For those of you who are having trouble articulating a good counter-argument, here's what ChatGPT said when I prompted it with the OP, prefixed with "Look at this rubbish, by Fred":

Fred’s post is an odd blend of insight and self-satisfaction — philosophically shallow but rhetorically smooth. It sounds reasonable because it borrows the idiom of fair-minded inquiry (“Let’s not reject arguments ad hominem”), but beneath that there’s a category mistake and a confusion about *what philosophy is*.

Let’s unpack a few things:

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### 1. **The ad hominem red herring**

Fred says rejecting AI-generated arguments is “ad hominem.” But *ad hominem* applies to arguments in contexts where the **person** is claiming authority — when the identity of the arguer is *relevant to the epistemic weight* of the claim. On a forum like that, participants are not anonymous vessels of argument; the act of *doing philosophy* includes *who* is doing it — the context of dialogue, the responsiveness, the intentional effort.

To reject a text as unfit for philosophical dialogue because it is machine-generated is *not* ad hominem; it’s a recognition that the generator is **not an interlocutor**. AI can simulate argument but cannot be a participant in reasoning — it cannot be challenged, persuaded, or made to see. The *merit* of a philosophical argument is inseparable from its *accountability to reason*.

So the objection isn’t about the *source* as a prejudice; it’s about the *absence of agency*. A purely generated post cannot be an act of reasoning — it is not the result of a person *trying to understand*.

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### 2. **Fred’s “truth regardless of source” principle**

This is superficially noble (“Truth matters more than authorship”), but in philosophical practice it’s meaningless unless the truth-claim has been *understood and defended*. AI text lacks *intention* — it cannot mean, only produce. So even if it *happens* to state a true proposition, it contributes nothing to the philosophical process, which is about *working out why* it is true or false.

Fred slides from **evaluating arguments** to **evaluating statements**, as if philosophy were a matter of sifting correct sentences rather than articulating positions.

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### 3. **Fred’s “uses” of AI**

All of these are defensible *practically*, but none touch “doing philosophy.” Using AI to summarise, paraphrase, or check clarity is fine — that’s like using a dictionary. But using it *in lieu of thought* (even partially) introduces an ambiguity between what *you* think and what the model predicts would be thought. His “ploy” of pretending the draft is not his and asking for critique reveals that he treats philosophy as a form of rhetorical polishing — improving *presentation*, not *understanding*.

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### 4. **The false dilemma**

Fred contrasts “community of thinkers” vs. “evaluation of ideas,” as though the former is a social game and the latter is pure rationality. But philosophical conversation *is* the mediation between those two — the testing of thought through shared reasoning. If AI enters that, the mediation collapses, because there’s no interlocutor, no genuine confrontation of views.

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### 5. **What’s really going on**

Fred’s post is an act of *self-justification*: he wants to pre-empt criticism of his own reliance on AI by wrapping it in a veneer of philosophical liberalism. His argument amounts to: “If AI can say something reasonable, then excluding it is irrational prejudice.” But that’s just the technocrat’s version of *“let the machine speak for us”* — philosophy outsourced to the average of available sentences.

The irony: he calls AI a “Happy Sycophant” and yet seems to admire it for that — because it flatters his sense of being reasonable.

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Would you like me to draft a sharp but civil reply to Fred that exposes these confusions — something that could be posted in that thread without sounding petty or dismissive?

Now that you've read that, your replies have been partially generated by AI. Have fun. :wink:

The quagmire just expanded to infinity. Don't ask me what I mean—an AI said it...

The quagmire just expanded to infinity. — Janus

Then I succeeded. I hope you don't mind my starting a new thread rather than adding to your already existing one. I think the topic sufficiently distinct.

When I told ChatGPT I wrote the OP, it was much more accurate...

This is a strong and engaging piece — conversational, intelligent, and with a clear philosophical through-line. It strikes the right tone for a forum post: reflective without being didactic, provocative without being combative. Let me give you some feedback in three layers — **rhetorical**, **philosophical**, and **stylistic**, with a few gentle edits where it could read more smoothly.

And went on at length about how good the post was.

Looks like they are bigger bullshit artists than we are, although certainly much more transparent.

I don't mind at all you creating another thread on AI. The more we think about and discuss the issues with AI the better in my view.

My view on using them is softening a little. Since their continued completely irresponsible rollout is inevitable, the stance that advocates not using them at all because you would be supporting the recklessness seems pointless—like pissing to put out a forest fire.

It does irk me that people present stuff essentially written by AI as their own work, although I acknowledge that from the point of view of assessing the quality, relevance and soundness of the work itself, my response is irrelevant.

I was struck by this:

To reject a text as unfit for philosophical dialogue because it is machine-generated is *not* ad hominem; it’s a recognition that the generator is **not an interlocutor**. AI can simulate argument but cannot be a participant in reasoning — it cannot be challenged, persuaded, or made to see. The *merit* of a philosophical argument is inseparable from its *accountability to reason*.

So the AI is saying that it is not an interlocutor... Is that a performative contradiction? If it's not an interlocutor, then no; but if we are to take it's argument seriously, then we are by that very act considering it to be an interlocutor... and the illocution cannot be sincere.

So if we are to avoid a performative contradiction, we have to say that the AI is not an interlocutor.

What we might do is to consider the strings of words the AI produces as if they were produced by an interlocutor. Given that pretence, we can pay some attention to the arguments they sometimes encode...

Just a side thought.

I'll admit my prejudice is somewhat on the pissing on the forest fire side -- an almost Kantian hatred of AI.

Let the world move on this will be the old hill I stand upon alone with my books and mumblings...

I'll admit my prejudice is somewhat on the pissing on the forest fire side -- an almost Kantian hatred of AI. — Moliere

While I can't say I completely agree and embrace your sentiment, I certainly have respect for it and can see the dangers or otherwise loss of quality of life and human spirit that may be brought about by incessant and ceaseless use.

Everyone will sound so smart online or as long as they have their phone on them. Then, if the power goes off, or there's an error in the network, or they otherwise have to talk or explain something in person... all you're going to hear is "Uhhhhh.......yeah, I need more time to think about that to respond to it properly." :lol:

What we might do is to consider the strings of words the AI produces as if they were produced by an interlocutor. Given that pretence, we can pay some attention to the arguments they sometimes encode... — Banno

Geoffrey Hinton believes AIs are capable of reasoning, not yet as well as humans ( although I wonder which humans he is referring to). I guess if they are capable of reasoning then they can be interlocutors, and ChatGPT is simply bullshitting in saying AIs cannot be interlocutors.

If they are not capable of reasoning then all they are doing is presenting examples of human reasoning, albeit synthesized in novel ways and in their own words.

, , cheers to you both - I would that it were so, too, but it ain't, and so here we are.

Perhaps we might best keep that part of the discussion in 's thread, and here look to how we can use AI to do better philosophy? Make the best of a bad lot, if you like.

If they are not capable of reasoning then all they are doing is presenting examples of human reasoning, albeit synthesized in novel ways and in their own words. — Janus

Yep, that's what I was getting at before. We might use Austin's terminology. The AI at least presents us with a locution - a sequence of words in some sort of correct order. Does that amount to an illocution - an act performed in making an utterance?

Searle's Chinese Room says "no!", of course.

But seeing a Phatic act as an illocution is something we do, in making sense of the utterance.

So there is a way of understanding an AI claiming not to be an interlocutor at the locutionary level, such that it's a string of words that make no such claim. And a way of understanding it at the illocutionary level, were perhaps we understand the locution as having the same structure as an illocution that says that an AI cannot be an interlocutor...

All a bit convolute. The idea is that the AI isn't really saying anything, but is arranging words as if it were saying something.

All a bit convolute. The idea is that the AI isn't really saying anything, but is arranging words as if it were saying something. — Banno

There are those, Hinton being one of them, who claim that the lesson to be learned from the LLMs is that we are also just "arranging words as if it were saying something", that is that we don't have subjective experience any more than they do. I remain skeptical, but I entertain the possibility that there might be something in that.

Seems to me, at the fundament, that what we who pretend to the title “philosopher” are looking for is some semblance of truth, whatever that is; at writing that is thought provoking; at nuanced and sound argument. Whether such an argument comes from a person or an AI is secondary. — Banno

AI at this point is not capable of giving any "semblance of truth".

I’ve used AI to quickly and succinctly summarise accepted fact. — Banno

Yes, it can very aptly "summarize accepted fact", and you might want to use it for that, if that is what you are after. But "fact by the masses" is a far cry from "semblance of truth".

The idea is that the AI isn't really saying anything, but is arranging words as if it were saying something. — Banno

I really do not see the difference here. Following Wittgenstein, all that "saying something" is, is arranging words as if you were saying something. Meaning (as in what is meant, by intention) is not a separate requirement for "saying something", because meaning is assumed to be inherent within "arranging words as if you were saying something".

Modern philosophy has so effectively combined meaning with saying, such that meaning is taken for granted, and "saying" is nothing more than arranging words in an intelligible way. You will not provide an effective argument to say that what the AI provides has no meaning. Therefore you will not have an argument to say that the AI doesn't say anything.

This implies that the ship has already sailed (the paste is out of the tube) with respect to "saying". It's too late to go back and insist that "saying" is something more than arranging words in an intelligible way. Instead, we need to look deeper, at the meaning of words like "honesty". "truth", and "communion", to determine whether AI partakes in any of these.

There are those, Hinton being one of them, who claim that the lesson to be learned from the LLMs is that we are also just "arranging words as if it were saying something", that is that we don't have subjective experience any more than they do. — Janus

Something has gone astray here, in. that if this were so, it's not just that we have never said anything, but that the very notion of saying something could not be made coherent.

Perhaps if I dig a bit deeper, the problem with Hinton might become clear. I'll take it as granted that in these posts, we made assertions, asked questions and entertained thoughts; that we have, as Austin put it, performed illocutionary acts with words.

Now if folk do not agree with this, then there's and end to the thread, since that's what the thread is for. So we might continue in the assumption that we re doing more with these words than just putting them in a statistically likely order.

But according to Searle, the AI cannot make assertions, ask questions or entertain thoughts. All it can do is string words together, at the locutionary level.

Should I set out the illocution/locutionary difference more clearly? ChatGPT suggests:

As Austin pointed out, when we speak, we’re not merely arranging words — we’re doing things with them. To say something is to perform an illocutionary act: asserting, questioning, promising, warning, inviting, and so on. These are acts that presuppose an intention and a context of shared understanding.

By contrast, a locutionary act is what follows from what we say — persuading, amusing, shocking, confusing. These effects can occur even if no act of meaning was performed.

The crucial point is that LLMs, like GPT or Claude, can at best produce locutionary effects — they can appear to assert, question, or reason — but they cannot actually perform those illocutionary acts, because those require a subject who means something by what is said.

I guess this is a reductio contra Hinton... your approach says we cant, but we do. So there is a mistake somewhere.

Following Wittgenstein, all that "saying something" is, is arranging words as if you were saying something. — Metaphysician Undercover

No, it isn't. Wittgenstein said nothing of the sort.

To be clear, this thread is not about posting AI on this forum, but how philosophers might use AI effectively. — Banno

I agree with most of what you’ve said, and I use AI that way at work all the time. I test ideas and improve my sentences. It helps me get closer to what I want to say. I sometimes wonder if AI will replace some of the reasons people are members of forums like these.

People have been ripping off secondary sources, essays and encyclopedia extracts ad nauseam in these sorts of forums, so AI just seems like a more refined version of existing behaviours, to me.

There are some posters on forums who use every second reply to pontificate at length about the history of ideas, as if they’re teaching philosophy at a community college. AI will probably just make these guys more monotonous.

Cheers. Hope my rumination are not too mundane.

Seems to me, at the fundament, that what we who pretend to the title “philosopher” are looking for is some semblance of truth, whatever that is; at writing that is thought provoking; at nuanced and sound argument. Whether such an argument comes from a person or an AI is secondary. — Banno

Good.

Allow me to get back to “some semblance of truth.”

Rejecting an argument because it is AI generated is an instance of the ad hominem fallacy — Banno

I see what you are saying. But maybe you don’t need to conflate AI with the hominem to make your basic point. All you need to say is, if “2+2=4” is written by AI or by a philosopher, we need not concern ourselves with any difference between AI or a philosopher and can instead still focus our philosophic minds and evaluate the soundness and validity of the argument qua argument.

I agree with that.

And I agree, it’s a separate, or “secondary” discussion to raise the differences are between ‘AI’ versus ‘hominem’. (And to say “AI generated is an instance of the ad hominem…” seems rash. And unnecessary.)

Rejecting AI outright is bad philosophy. — Banno

Rejecting good arguments no matter where they come from is bad philosophy. (For the same reason we should give each other more respect here on TPF.)

So I also agree with what is implied in your argument, namely that ad hominem attacks on AI, and anyone, are fallacious arguments.

But that all seems easier to swallow about AI. We always are stuck judging the validity and soundness of the words we are presented with, separately from judging the source from which those words come.

The more dramatic issue with AI is that it is a tool that can be used by a person, to easily deceive another person.

AI is a computer, as always. It’s a tool. No need to completely shrink from using a new tool to process words for ourselves.

But to use a tool properly you have to know you’re using a tool - you have to learn the tool’s limitations. You have to be aware of all of the ways AI can create error, before you can properly read its content.

If we don’t know we are dealing with AI, and we think we are reading what a person like you and me would say, we can be deceived into trusting a source that is false to us and without this trusted context, misunderstand the content. Like if I thought the answer to 3.14386 X 4.444 came from a calculator or from a third-grader…. We need to know who/what we are dealing with the evaluate how to judge content most diligently.

The simple solution to this deception is for people to admit they are using AI, or for purely AI-generated content for it to be clearly labeled as such - then we all know what we are dealing with and can draw our own judgments about sourcing and citation and hallucination and personal bias, and trust, and accuracy, etc, etc…

Now, of course, instead, people will use AI to lie, and cheat, and defraud and harm.

But we can’t ban it. Toothpaste is everywhere now.

So we should admit to ourselves we’ve created new sources of both treachery and beauty, and aspire to demand honesty about it between each other, that’s all. Let’s not allow AI, or worse, consciously use AI, to fill our world with more error. And not hiding AI as personal intelligence avoids the error of the lie.

This is the only way “some semblance of truth” will be maintained.

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It is amazing to me how AI is loose in the world and at the same time we don’t really know what it is (like a tool, a fast computer, like a new learning intelligence, like a person, like a toaster…)

My prediction for the predictive language modelers: philosophers and psychologists will discover/demonstrate how these LLMs are not persons, and in so doing further define what it means to be human a bit better. AI, even that behaves exactly like a person, will never evolve a core in the same way we persons have a subjective seat of experience. They will always remain scattered, never unified into a consciousness of consciousness.

But just because AI is just a word machine, this doesn’t mean we human inventors of this word machine cannot also derive truth and wisdom from the words our AI generates.

I could be wrong…

There is only one thing that matter in philosophy: The argument. Not who said it. Not credentials. Not the feelings of the person. The argument. If AI can present a argument that is 100% factually correct, it is used well. If not, it is used poorly. It doesn't matter if you have a tool. All that matters is the argument.

Grist to the mill. Check out why you should be talking with gpt about philosophy

TLDR:

The latest version of ChatGPT is a valuable option for engaging in philosophical dialogue
To get the most from it: treat it as an equal, get it to role-play, and keep on pushing back
We can’t wrong GPT by how we talk with it, but we might wrong ourselves

From that article, another prompting strategy:

...get Gpt to imagine it’s someone in particular: a particular philosopher, or someone holding a particular view. And then get it to engage with that person — as itself, and as you, and as various other people.

Most of that should be in the other thread.

Thanks, this is the kind of discussion we need.

It might be too willing to tell you what you want to hear, but if you pretend to be your opposite, you can have it tell you want you don't want to hear.

I’ve used AI to be critical of my own writing. I do this by pretending it is not me. I’ll feed it a draft post attributing it to someone else, and ask for a critique. It’ll try to comment on the style, which I don’t much want, but the right sort of prompt will usually find quite interesting and novel angles. — Banno

I like this. I asked Deepseek to incorporate it into a set of guidelines based on the existing AI discussions on TPF. Below is the output. I think it's a useful starting point, and I encourage people here to suggest additions and amendments.

Point 4 is the most relevant to the OP's question.

Guidelines for Using LLMs on TPF

1. Our Core Principle: Augmentation, Not Replacement

The primary purpose of this forum is the human exchange of ideas. LLMs should be used as tools to enhance your own thinking and communication, not to replace them. The goal is to use the AI to "expand your brain," not to let it do the thinking for you.

2. The Cardinal Rule: Transparency and Disclosure

This is the most critical guideline for maintaining trust.

[*] Substantial Use: If an LLM has contributed significantly to the substance of a post—for example, generating a core argument, providing a structured outline, or composing a lengthy explanation—you must disclose this. A simple note at the end like "I used ChatGPT to help brainstorm the structure of this argument" or "Claude assisted in refining my explanation of Kant's categorical imperative" is sufficient.
[*] Minor Use: For minor assistance like grammar checking, rephrasing a single confusing sentence, or finding a synonym, disclosure is not mandatory but is still encouraged as a gesture of good faith.
[*] Direct Quotation: If you directly quote an LLM's output (even a short phrase) to make a point, you should attribute it, just as you would any other source.

3. Prohibited Uses: What We Consider "Cheating"

The following uses undermine the community and are prohibited:

[*] Ghostwriting: Posting content that is entirely or mostly generated by an LLM without significant human input and without disclosure.
[*] Bypassing Engagement: Using an LLM to formulate responses in a debate that you do not genuinely understand. This turns a dialogue between people into a dialogue between AIs and destroys the "cut-and-thrust" of argument.
[*] Sock-Puppeting: Using an LLM to fabricate multiple perspectives or fake expertise to support your own position.

4. Encouraged Uses: How to Use LLMs Philosophically

These uses align with the forum's goal of pursuing truth and improving thought.

[*] The Research Assistant: Use an LLM to quickly summarize a philosophical concept, physical theory, or historical context to establish a common ground for discussion. Always verify its summaries, as they can be bland or contain errors.
[*] The Sparring Partner: Use an LLM to critique your own argument. As Banno suggested, feed it your draft and ask for counter-arguments or weak points. This can help you strengthen your position before posting.
[*] The Clarifier: Use an LLM to rephrase a dense paragraph from another post or a primary source into plainer language to aid your understanding. (The ultimate responsibility for understanding still lies with you).
[*] The Stylistic Editor: Use an LLM to help clean up grammar, syntax, or clarity in a post you've already written, ensuring your human ideas are communicated effectively.

5. A Guide to Good Practice: The "Over-Confident Assistant" Model

As Simon Willison noted, treat the LLM as an "over-confident pair programming assistant." This mindset is crucial for philosophy:

[*] You are the Director: You must provide the intellectual direction, the core ideas, and the critical scrutiny. The LLM is a tool to execute tasks within that framework.
[*] Question Everything: LLMs are designed to be plausible, not correct. They are prone to confabulation (making things up) and averaging biases. Treat their output as a first draft to be rigorously evaluated, not as received wisdom.
[*] The Final Product is Your Responsibility: You are ultimately accountable for the content you post. If an LLM introduces a factual error or a weak argument, it is your responsibility to have caught it.

6. A Note on Detection and Trust

As the conversation notes, it is becoming impossible to reliably detect LLM use. Therefore, these guidelines cannot be enforced primarily through punishment. Their purpose is to foster a culture of intellectual honesty and collective trust. We rely on members to act in good faith for the health of the community.


Summary: A Proposed Forum Policy Statement

LLMs like ChatGPT are powerful tools that are now part of the intellectual landscape. On this forum, we do not ban their use, but we insist it is done responsibly.

[*] We encourage using LLMs as assistants for research, brainstorming, and editing.
[*] We require the transparent disclosure of substantial AI assistance in your posts.
[*] We prohibit using LLMs to ghostwrite posts or to avoid genuine intellectual engagement.

The goal is to use these tools to augment human thought and discussion, not to replace it. The final responsibility for the content and quality of your posts always rests with you. — Deepseek

to summarise the thought of this or that philosopher — Banno

The Research Assistant: Use an LLM to quickly summarize a philosophical concept, physical theory, or historical context to establish a common ground for discussion. Always verify its summaries, as they can be bland or contain errors. — Deepseek

This is the thing I have a problem with. I dislike the reduction of philosophy to a set of arguments, with philosophers like puppets being made to fight each other. This kind of philosophy seems to always interpret the philosophers badly or controversially. Mere summaries won't do. Since there are a hundred ways of interpreting the Critique of Pure Reason, you cannot rely on Wikipedia, SEP, or LLMs. (I've seen it many times in philosophical discussions; the misuse of Kant and Nietzsche makes me despair.)

The worry is that LLMs might make this sort of thing more prevalent. So the upshot is I'd want to amend that part of the suggested guidelines.

EDIT: We might also want to say that legitimate secondary sources ought to be consulted before using LLMs. Arguably it's much better to quote from academic papers or the SEP than from an LLM.

I think we should also really emphasize the stuff on confabulation. People seem to be unaware how much LLMs literally just make things up.

More grist, this time from business management.

Game changers: A generative AI prompt protocol to enhance human-AI knowledge co-construction

This takes a constructivist approach to prompt engineering, advocating knowledge co-construction... or so it claims. Loads of jargon, but at it's core it's about working with the AI to construct a better outcome. In our case, the outcome is presumably better arguments and discussion. Constructivist learning theory, such that human-AI interaction becomes a process of co-constructing knowledge, rather than one-sided extraction of data or accepting AI content holus-bolus. The protocl boils down to

• Identify the problem / question / task
• Incorporate prior knowledge / clarify assumptions
• Design the prompt (structure)
• Refine / optimize prompt formulation
• Validate / evaluate AI output (check bias, errors, alignment)
• Apply prompt in context and iterate

Note that the process is iterative. In the best threads, folk work together to sort through an issue. AI can be considered another collaborator in such discussions.

I was working through this article when posted, but perhaps that idea of collaborative effort fits in with what he has in mind.

Cheers. Hope it helps.

The summary produced is itself open to critique, in the same way that a misrepresentation of some philosopher's position by a human is. And a good prompt would bring out the tensions and anomalies you mention, rather than hide them.

It'll be interesting to see what others have to say.

Yep. Confabulation means the results are unreliable and must be checked.

It'll be interesting to see what others have to say. — Banno

I mean, training wheels are nice. And I'm no great scholar. A good majority of these threads and levels of discussion are a fair level over my head (but perhaps I now know why...) but aside from that, if you can't ever graduate from training wheels to riding a bike on your own, maybe, I dunno, bike riding just isn't your thing, y'know?

You can only force a thing that's not meant to be so much before it becomes a burden to not only yourself but those around you. Sure, everyone wants to be smart. Not to be "tricked" or a "sucker" or a "Fool" (or rather, they want to learn how to fool others and get ahead, gaining personal material or other benefit from knowledge, pretty much the motive of 99% of people, including myself, at one point) and everything else but, there's a natural order to things and some things can't be rushed. We can fool others, but we can never fool ourselves. Not for very long. Before one inevitably wake's up one somber morning realizing one has been living a lie and is nothing close to the person they've spent countless hours and energy convincing an ultimately uncaring world they were (or perhaps were not?).

In short, I doubt anyone with anything worth saying actually needs to use AI. Period. Full stop. Beyond that, that it would actually make anything better (other than shorter and quicker per brevity) for the reader. Save for the non-English speaker who is learning English and wishes to participate prematurely. I'm pretty sure that was the heart and spirit of the "anti-AI" rule as it was posted when it was posted. Perhaps I'm wrong. But I doubt it. Unless some backtracking or "change of heart" has occurred between the staff here. And that's fine. I'm happy to be here. I'll sing whatever tune is favored, I suppose. People do like consistency, though. All society and human struggle was fought and formed with such in mind, lest we forget. :smile:

Note that the process is iterative. In the best threads, folk work together to sort through an issue. AI can be considered another collaborator in such discussions. — Banno

This looks like a process well suited for mitigating the last two among three notorious LLM shortcomings: sycophancy, hallucination and sandbagging. You yourself proposed a method for addressing the first: present your ideas as those of someone else and as a target for criticism.

Hallucination, or confabulation, is a liability of reconstructive memory (in AIs and humans alike) and is mitigated by the enrichment of context that provides more associative anchors. In the cases of LLMs, it's enhanced by their lack of any episodic memory that could cue them as to what it is that they should expect not to know. An iterative dialogue helps the model "remember" the relevant elements of knowledge represented in its training corpus that contradict potential pieces of confabulation and enables a more accurate reconstruction of their latent knowledge (and latent understanding).

Sandbagging is the least discussed shortcoming that LLMs manifest. They've been trained to adapt their responses (in style and content) to match the comprehension ability of their users. This tends to yield a phenomenon of reward hacking during their post-training. The proximal reward signal that their responses are useful is that they are appreciated (which also yields sycophancy, of course) and hence leads them to favor responses that prioritize comprehensibility over accuracy. In other words, they learn to dumb down their responses in a way that makes them more likely to be judged accurate. The flipside is that putting efforts into crafting intelligent well informed and detailed queries motivate them to produce more intelligent and well considered replies.

GPT-5's comments and clarifications on the above, including links to the relevant technical literature.

Is yours a private hill, or would you mind a visitor?

No pets, no bad habits, just me, a real human with real human attributes….however well-seasoned they may be….fully willing and capable of standing my own gawddamn ground.

Is this thread geared toward philosophy students? Amateur philosophers just spend their lives struggling to understand the world, ping off a few cool philosophers, and spout what they may. Right?

[*] We encourage using LLMs as assistants for research, brainstorming, and editing. — Deepseek

Does TPF now disparage as vanity or prejudice or laziness the preference of some posters to decline to engage with chatbots at all?

[*] We require the transparent disclosure of substantial AI assistance in your posts. — Deepseek

Which parts of "research, brainstorming, and editing" does that apply to?