• unimportant
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    I have read before people say that about mainstream religion but I would further the idea to apply to western capitalist/materialist society as a whole.

    People might say 'mainstream society is closer to reality' but I don't think so.

    So many nonsense 'traditions' that people will do all sorts of irrational things just to keep their precious rituals, just because that is what they were told to do so it must be continued no matter what. Christmas, Valentine's Day, Bonfire Night, New Year's Eve, to name just a few. What rational purpose do they serve? They are merely 'canon' that adherents of the Western culture must observe or else face being called 'weird' which is the same as what cults do to ostracise their members if they do something they consider in poor form.

    You can say no one is forcing you to do those things which is true but if you don't get involved in at least some you are considered 'odd' Xmas being the one with the strongest peer pressure to conform.

    Yes some cults behave in reprehensible ways like abuse or militant action but how much of history has been whitewashed of similar actions - just like how cults do damage control, so too does mainstream society. Watergate being an example. Many predators in the entertainment industry which were an open secret until they reached critical mass where they were forced to acknowledge it and suddenly condemn it.

    I have been watching a documentary on the Children of God cult and pretty much everything would apply to the cult of capitalism/materialism that the West loves so much.

    I have made no secret here that I hate capitalism and think it is the cause of most of societies ills.

    Cults indoctrinate by sending out propaganda with their embedded beliefs. Capitalist society does just the same with the media industry and all the tropes of earn as much money as possible (far beyond is necessary for a comfortable life) and you will have all the trappings of success. The fast car, the big house, the perfect family, the perfect woman/husband.

    Even if not everyone tries to be the next Gordon Gecko/Wolf of Wall Street, the message is still instilled that more money = better. Just like not every woman tries to be a supermodel, just seeing what is put on a pedestal in society instils beliefs in what the lay person should aspire to.

    Why are millions/billions on anti-depressants because they hate their life and so much money poured into this? To keep the worker bees productive. Also all the science is bent on 'disease' models where things 'just happen' without there being a root cause. I would propose this is just propaganda to cover up that the root cause is the rotten capitalist society that it must protect at all costs. Science will only observe what it has been funded to, which is decided by politics, so it will be biased only for particular results.

    It is like Nietzsche used to write "the victors write the history books". It is not some triumph of the enlightened west why it is so popular. It is just they managed to subjugate most of the world by might and now what is considered 'normal' are just their arbitrary cultural practices as 'might is right' and so they say what goes into the history books and becomes tradition and law and acceptable ideals.
  • AmadeusD
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    I have been watching a documentary on the Children of God cult and pretty much everything would apply to the cult of capitalism/materialism that the West loves so much.unimportant

    I would simply disagree. There's a quote about tradition, that I don't quite 'believe' but it seems to apply to many things you're taking issue with: Tradition is experiment which worked.

    Again, not a heuristic even, but the tradition of Christmas is such that all comers seems to get involved, even those with alter religious affiliations. I don't quite see what you do.
  • unimportant
    190
    I don't quite see what you do.AmadeusD

    That goes without saying. :)
  • AmadeusD
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    Haha, fair enough.

    What are you suggesting with this thread? It seems like its a bit of a conspiracy, which I have no problem with - but let's say its all legit - what then?
  • Philosophim
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    There are a few common themes to cults that I think you're missing.

    1. Isolation from the rest of society, family, and friends for 'the message'.
    2. Zero tolerance for questions or doubts. Loyalty to feelings and mantras replace thinking.
    3. Promises self-actualization. You will become who you were meant to be.
    4. Anyone who leaves 'wasn't really part of the group' or is dismissed as inconsequential. You can do no wrong by being in the cult, anything that rejects the cult is wrong.
    5. Imaginative thinking positioned as reality.

    Now, can people form cults around beliefs that are not in themselves cultish? Sure. Political parties can be cults, though politics itself is not a cult. And I'm sure there are people who form cultish viewpoints on capitalism as well.

    A key to cults is a sense of authoritarianism and unquestionable moral certitude. "I am right because I'm just, and your alternative viewpoints and disagreements are innately wrong, thus should be silenced without debate." The West is largely founded on Democratic values and rights. You are free to bash capitalism all you want and no one will ban you. I just don't see 'the West' as being a cult as it largely avoids authoritarianism.
  • Tom Storm
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    Cults indoctrinate by sending out propaganda with their embedded beliefs. Capitalist society does just the same with the media industry and all the tropes of earn as much money as possible (far beyond is necessary for a comfortable life) and you will have all the trappings of success. The fast car, the big house, the perfect family, the perfect woman/husband.

    Even if not everyone tries to be the next Gordon Gecko/Wolf of Wall Street, the message is still instilled that more money = better. Just like not every woman tries to be a supermodel, just seeing what is put on a pedestal in society instils beliefs in what the lay person should aspire to.

    Why are millions/billions on anti-depressants because they hate their life and so much money poured into this? To keep the worker bees productive. Also all the science is bent on 'disease' models where things 'just happen' without there being a root cause. I would propose this is just propaganda to cover up that the root cause is the rotten capitalist society that it must protect at all costs. Science will only observe what it has been funded to, which is decided by politics, so it will be biased only for particular results.
    unimportant

    I think the more sinister element of capitalism is the banality of most people’s ambition which they don’t seem to mind; forget Gecko and supermodels. For most people it involves ceaseless spending to participate in the conventions - a house, children, vacations, transportation, healthcare, always having to spend and spend more just to have the basics. Often treading water to stay afloat. And they may even consider themselves fortunate.

    I don’t think it’s a cult. It’s a dominant worldview that operates differently. A cult functions through exclusion and authoritarian control over behaviour and member's interactions. Capitalism is open, even if constraining, and it doesn’t seek to limit people’s choices directly. It does so indirectly as a by-product, through the blunt mechanism of a user-pays society.
  • L'éléphant
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    I have made no secret here that I hate capitalism and think it is the cause of most of societies ills.unimportant

    Your OP reads as if we are experiencing absolute capitalism. Far from it.

    There are many aspects of our society, hence aspects of our lives, that are not dictated by profit and high-risk high-reward principles. One of the greatest tragedies of the growth of capitalism is that we learned to hate governance and the leaders of our countries. Nothing the government does can be trusted. And so, we destroy ourselves because, apparently, not even medicine and science can cure idiocy.

    If our society truly behaves like it's one big planet-size stock market, nothing, and I mean nothing that a fail-safe back-up plan can save us. Life would be one generation removed from extinction.
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