Ludwig V
Yes, people too often assume that language is about communication and has no other uses. That's not true.But what I am against is the idea that some interpret Wittgenstein's “meaning is use” as being that 100% of our thinking derives from language and society. — RussellA
"Ouch!" isn't part of language, so it can't refer to anything. You should think of it alongside grimacing. Both are, one might say, expressions of pain. "“I am in pain” refers to being in hidden inner pain, whilst “ouch” refers to the behaviour of outward observable grimacing. In this sense, as they refer to different things, they are not synonyms. — RussellA
I am not assuming any particular theory about perception or facts. All I am assuming is that there are such things, and that, one way or another, we interact with them. I feel that direct and indirect realism might be regarded as off-topic on this thread.You are assuming we can directly interact with outer facts. A Direct Realist would agree, but an Indirect Realist would disagree. An Indirect Realist would say that we are directly interacting with an appearance of what we assume to be outer facts. — RussellA
RussellA
So, yes, the meaning of "beetle" preceeds you, and you learn it, and then you know it, and based on that knowledge you use it. — Dawnstorm
When you know that the water in this tub is 36° Celsius, then that knowledge has no influence at all on the temperature. — Dawnstorm
When you know the word "beetle" means [beetle] (square bracket for the private meaning that - according to Wittgenstein - drops out - if I'm not mistaken), then you use the word "beetle" to mean {beetle} (squiggly brackets for a token in a language game). — Dawnstorm
Metaphysician Undercover
My concept of “slab” must be similar to yours, but cannot be the same as yours, because we have experienced different Forms of Life.
Because we have learnt our concepts of “slab” through an extensive personal Form of Life, our concepts are too complex to be defined.
Our concepts of “slab” probably generally overlap, but it is unavoidable that sometimes my concept of “slab” will be different to yours. — RussellA
RussellA
If "I am in pain" refers to hidden inner pain, then, surely, it is not hidden. — Ludwig V
"Ouch!" isn't part of language, so it can't refer to anything. — Ludwig V
"S is in pain" — Ludwig V
RussellA
I would not use the word "concept" here. I think concepts are logical structures with formal rules. — Metaphysician Undercover
A concept is an abstract idea that serves as a foundation for more concrete principles, thoughts, and beliefs. For example, a basic-level concept would be "chair". A concept is instantiated (reified) by all of its actual or potential instances, whether these are things in the real world or other ideas.
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