• kindred
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    It would entail providing the right conditions and chemistry for life to happen at earliest stage and then let evolution do the rest.
  • kindred
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    The naturalist, in terms of people who believe in a prime mover, more or less assigns "prime mover" status to nature itself: rather than an intentional, intelligent cause with a reason for existence we arose out of a chaotic, blind process which we just happen to get to be a part of, and whatever that is that's nature.Moliere

    In contrast to aristotles prime mover then.

    If life is purely a cosmic naturalistic fluke that happened without any divine intervention to kick start it, it quickly developed intelligent self awareness such as us. I guess that’s the power of evolution and adaptation to environment.

    I think it’s magnificent either way divine intervention or completely naturalistic. Despite the Uray abiogenesis experiment there are so many leaps going from amino acids to rna replication to dna etc that it would be like winning the lottery multiple times in a row and I don’t think this was pure chance alone but some helping hand to get things started then let evolution do its thing.
  • Moliere
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    I think it’s magnificent either way divine intervention or completely naturalistickindred

    Oh, yes. Definitely. I love science because of this magnificence.

    Despite the Uray abiogenesis experiment there are so many leaps going from amino acids to rna replication to dna etc that it would be like winning the lottery multiple times in a row and I don’t think this was pure chance alone but some helping hand to get things started then let evolution do its thing.kindred

    I'm of the opposite opinion. I'm sure you're surprised ;)

    Yes, it is like winning the lottery multiple times in a row. That's improbable and possible. And such is life from my perspective -- though there is a physics theory I've run across that tries to demonstrate that life is inevitable (even if it's rare).

    Given an infinite universe the unbelievably unlikely will happen at least one time, though. (and if it's truly infinite, it will happen an infinite number of times)
  • Corvus
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    It would entail providing the right conditions and chemistry for life to happen at earliest stage and then let evolution do the rest.kindred

    So, what is the nature and origin of some sort of divine who pushed to get things started i.e. where does the divine itself come from, and how did he find out the right conditions and chemistry for life? What was the divine's intention / motive for providing the right conditions and chemistry for life to happen?

    If evolution is true, then why humans have not evolved since Socrates and Buddha were alive?
  • Ecurb
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    If evolution is true, then why humans have not evolved since Socrates and Buddha were alive?Corvus

    Humans have evolved. It's just not very noticeable. Evolution is a gradual process.

    Given an infinite universe the unbelievably unlikely will happen at least one time, though. (and if it's truly infinite, it will happen an infinite number of times)Moliere

    Everything that happens was once almost infinitely unlikely. What are the odds of a flipped coin coming up heads 10,000 times in a row? If you flip a coin 10,000 times, whatever sequence of heads and tails occurs was equally unlikely before the first flip. But some sequence will always occur.
  • T Clark
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    Yet if one constant in the universe was off by the tiniest margin then the universe would be unstable.kindred

    By unstable I mean the universe would simply collapse after only existing for a brief amount of time.kindred

    Can you explain how you know this is true. It certainly doesn’t seem that way to me.
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