It's an obvious consequence of accepted natural events. — Michael Ossipoff
Alright, Rich, how do you account for there being a human species on the Earth? — Michael Ossipoff
"Alright, Rich, how do you account for there being a human species on the Earth?" — Michael Ossipoff
The creative mind experimenting, learning, and evolving. No need to bring in supernatural forces. It is our minds. — Rich
I wouldn't call it an organism. It was the mind (The Dao) that began the process. Pretty straightforward Daoism.So the mind of some one-celled organism decided to make it procreate a more complex organism.. — Michael Ossipoff
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about, but with that said you have no idea what I'm talking about so I guess we are even. — Rich
The difference is that I've told specifically what I find wrong with what you say. ...whereas you just make vague generalizations like the above-quoted one. — Michael Ossipoff
As best as I can tell, you have no idea what I'm talking about. — Rich
As best as I can tell, you have no idea what I'm talking about. — Rich
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about — Rich
Very, very brief description.
Mind is quanta. The universe is quanta. Memory is quanta in holographic form. Mind is evolving by creative experimentation and learning. — Rich
You are asking why it's there Mind? Mind it's the beginning and still exists and easy to find in all of us. — Rich
Andrew4Handel, what is learning? Isn't learning mentally/behaviorally adapting to your environment? Doesn't having a mind allow you to adapt much more rapidly to rapid changes in the environment as opposed to adapting your body, which can take generations? Even Darwin understood the implication evolution by natural selection has on the mind. — Harry Hindu
I'm not trying to create a philosophical system. I'm trying to explore the nature of nature wherever it leads me. We have different motivations. — Rich
So far, it seems that it one starts with mind as being fundamental it explains a lot [...] The prerequisite is to allow for mind before matter.
And you still haven't watched the first video I posted a link to in this forum. Tooby emphasizes at the end of the video:I though I said this earlier. Determinism is a popular position in academia where the mind is seen as almost irrelevant and consciousness epiphenomenal. — Andrew4Handel
And I've already addressed this but you are insistent on skipping posts, not reading them, etc. The mind is what the brain does. When selections pressures produced a brain, they produced the mind. Not every organism has a brain, and the brain was an organ that evolved later from the primitive nervous systems of primitive organisms. The brain is where all the sensory information comes together into a consistent whole of one experience - where the brain can use the different signals from each sensory organ to create a fault-tolerant experience where one sense confirms what another is telling it. Another problem that you have that is finding it's way into your model is your dualism. The mind/body problem is the result of a false dichotomy.You don't seem to get the point that something being beneficial does not explain how it arose. We seem to be on different pages.
I am not sure what you are saying here. The mind can be beneficial in a million ways (as well as a curse) What is missing is a causal explanation for the emergence of minds/self/sensation etc.
Before something can be "selected" as a a persistent trait it has to come to exist. We don't know of any other planets where the conditions exist for life to exist. Our planet has the right disposition for the masses of life forms it contains. These dispositions are physical and biochemical or otherwise but they have to prexist evolution. A planet with mainly hydrogen on it like Saturn is not going to see the emergence of life soon.
So consciousness can only come to exist if their is prexisting disposition for it. It is like a recipe book where you have to use specific ingredients to create the correct dish.
I am unclear what selection is supposed to explain except trivially pointing out that X survived because it was advantageous in some form. It is easy to give reasons why something might persist but these are not law like reasons for X's begining to exist. Human inventions either persist or don't based on their utility but that does not describe the invention process. — Andrew4Handel
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