No, you're missing the point Meta. A rock is still a physical object that was discovered and named, a soul isn't. — John Harris
According to your flawed logic, someone coming up with the concept of Santa Claus and naming it would be the same as discovering the Mississippi river and naming it. I hope you see the problem in that. — John Harris
Our knowledge of a particular word has to be stored somewhere in the brain.
No, you're missing the point Meta. A rock is still a physical object that was discovered and named, a soul isn't.
— John Harris
Of course a soul isn't a physical object. But on what principle do you say that it wasn't discovered and named. The number two isn't a physical object but it was discovered and named, "two".
According to your flawed logic, someone coming up with the concept of Santa Claus and naming it would be the same as discovering the Mississippi river and naming it. I hope you see the problem in that.
— John Harris
You're changing the subject now. We were talking about whether theory is required in order that the thing encountered is known by it's named. And clearly this is the case with the named river. Santa Clause doesn't fit the example because we do not ever encounter Santa Clause. We do encounter a soul though every time we meet a living thing.
Likewise, if you encountered the Mississippi River and you did not understand that this thing is called the Mississippi River, you would not recognize it as the Mississippi River. So you might insistently argue that there is no such thing as the Mississippi River, and no one has ever encountered the Mississippi River, simply because you refuse to acknowledge that the thing you are looking at is the thing which many people call the Mississippi River.
Seems like the cantankerous soul of Thanatos Sand has been reincarnated in this John Harris guy... :D
I see life, and hence the manifestation of souls all around.the a material soul has never been discovered or recorded.
I argue that animated means ensouled. The ancient Greeks used the word alive to mean ensouled, and inanimate is dead...so while you say
the a material soul has never been discovered or recorded.
I see life, and hence the manifestation of souls all around.
There is no way around the supposition that life evolved from matter therefore life must be a potential property of matter. That is more than an assertion, it is the only possible way, unless you think Martians, or a Sky God came down and did it.
Nobody has encountered a soul or given any evidence of it. — John Harris
The real question is on what principle do you say the soul was discovered and named. Using your logic, God, the angels, and the demons were discovered because someone conceptualized and named them, like Aristotle conceptualized and named "soul. You must be quite the believer in God and the angels then. — John Harris
I changed no subject, and you have no more idea you encounter a soul every time you meet a living thing than you know Santa Claus or God exists. And if you believe someone could have encountered a soul with no scientific evidence of it, you must believe the people who claimed to meet Santa Clause or God are being truthful too. — John Harris
No, not likewise, as when one encounters the Mississippi River they encounter a body of water science and other people can second as being true. — John Harris
Nobody has encountered a soul or given any evidence of it.
— John Harris
Of course we all have. It is the life force within us all. What Bergson called the Elan vital. Without it, there is only a cadaver.
The only question is whether the soul persists. Evidence of this is in the traits and skills we are all born with but are different because of different soulful history (memory).
John Harris it would just be nice to see you disagree with someone without being insulting or condescending. (Y) — CasKev
Keep showing off your lack of personality and soul! >:O
Of course we all haven't. It is not the life force inside us all, and nobody has shown it to be. Many say God gives us life too, that's no less ridiculous than saying a soul gives us life. — John Harris
The real question is on what principle do you say the soul was discovered and named. Using your logic, God, the angels, and the demons were discovered because someone conceptualized and named them, like Aristotle conceptualized and named "soul. You must be quite the believer in God and the angels then.
— John Harris
If it is demonstrated what type of existence these things have, how they exist, and how they are encountered, such that I can actually encounter them, then I am not accepting their existence simply because someone conceptualized and named them. I accept their existence because there is evidence that they are real, just like there is evidence that the number two is real.
I changed no subject, and you have no more idea you encounter a soul every time you meet a living thing than you know Santa Claus or God exists. And if you believe someone could have encountered a soul with no scientific evidence of it, you must believe the people who claimed to meet Santa Clause or God are being truthful too.
— John Harris
So how do you know that the river you encounter is the Mississippi River?
No, not likewise, as when one encounters the Mississippi River they encounter a body of water science and other people can second as being true.
— John Harris
Because some scientist says "that is the Mississippi river", you know it's true? That's a known fallacy called "appeal to authority". It's not an acceptable argument. How do you really know that it's the Mississippi River? You don't believe everything other people tell you do you?
Just giving the bully some of his own medicine...
Of course we all haven't. It is not the life force inside us all, and nobody has shown it to be. Many say God gives us life too, that's no less ridiculous than saying a soul gives us life.
— John Harris
Some religious people say God gave us life and other religious people say that the Big Bang/Laws of Nature have us life. My own preference is not too appeal to supernatural forces. Life is what we all experience and what we are. No need to bring in other mysterious forces. Life is Life. You wanted existence of a soul, well there it is. It is we are and drives us - the impetus to create, learn, and evolve. If you prefer some supernatural forces and you have lots of company.
John Harris
As I define "soul" it makes sense, it is what causes life, the vital principal....but I can't force feed that notion to you, either it makes sense to you or not.
None of that has been demonstrated. And, sorry, but there is no evidence that any of those things, including the soul, are real and you havent' provided any. — John Harris
And I ask again, how do you know your parents are your parents? — John Harris
John Harris You are a hoot. Life is supernatural. OK.
None of that has been demonstrated. And, sorry, but there is no evidence that any of those things, including the soul, are real and you havent' provided any.
— John Harris
Just because it hasn't been demonstrated to you doesn't mean that it hasn't been demonstrated. Do I need to mention that word, "prejudice" again?
And I ask again, how do you know your parents are your parents?
— John Harris
I trust my parents, I've known them all my life. I admit that it could be a big hoax, but I don't think so. How do you know that there is no such thing as the soul? Did your parents tell you that?
↪John Harris No, you denied life. Life is the soul. You asked evidence, you got it. What the heck do b you think life is? Some illusion?
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