But who is to say miss diving beetle isn't just being coy, discovering which male is tough and fit enough to overpower her? — apokrisis
And if you find that framing of the situation objectionable, it is only the reverse of claiming instead it is a case of male rape. We shouldn't anthropomorphise in either direction. — apokrisis
So diving beetles may evolve sucker arms to clasp the females. And the females counter-evolve ridges and pits on their shells to make grasping harder. But where is the intent here? Where is the choice in the biological design? Are you arguing that the lady beetles do give willing consent to some males that take their fancy?l — apokrisis
Yeah so what? I don't seem to be troubled by the fact others eat more icecream than I do, why should I be troubled by the fact that others have more sex than me? :sSo there is this pleasure which some get more of and others less. — schopenhauer1
Yeah, I think sex is a very pleasurable activity in the right circumstances, which are quite rare. And no, if you're suggesting I'm asexual, then I'm not.Assuming (excepting the rare asexual) there are people who like the pleasure of sex equally, it is not as equally distributed. — schopenhauer1
So considering sex in most conditions to be a bad thing is repressed. Why? And why is that self-righteous? :sUgh, this sounds horribly repressed and self-righteous to boot. — schopenhauer1
Yeah, I also heard doing heroine feels really good too, wanna try? X-) If no, then why not? Just because something feels really good isn't sufficient reason to try it. You seem to have adopted (willingly or unwillingly) the prevailing mentality of our current Western society without questioning it.Some things are more pleasurable and desirable than others. I don't know, but I've heard sex feels really good. — schopenhauer1
As I said, I think in most circumstances having sex does cause distress and dissatisfaction. That's exactly why abstinence is so prominent in most religions.If you do not think that sex causes distress or dissatisfaction, then why is it so prominent in most religions? — schopenhauer1
Because we live in a culture that is overly obsessed about sex. Why? Probably because sex can be used as a tool of selling more consumer goods.Social commentary? Social media? Discussions? Books? Articles? News? Comedy? It's everywhere and desired by many- if not almost everyone. — schopenhauer1
Sure.Some things are more pleasurable than others. — schopenhauer1
Yeah, in today's age sure. That's reflective of the general culture though, and it's exactly what we'd expect.I'm not opposed to asceticism- I'm a Schopenhauer fan for Christ's sake. However, I don't see many ascetics in the general population. — schopenhauer1
Because controlling desires - any desires, not just sexual - can be difficult.Also, what is the reason why asceticism is a struggle for many? — schopenhauer1
I do want sex provided it is in those circumstances that I mentioned (married relationship, with the right person who loves me and I love her). It is a bit frustrating that that's hard to get, but not the end of the world man. Some self esteem is in order. There's also a few other things that I want and that are somewhat painful because I don't have them, but that's life. I don't make a big deal out of it, there's also plenty that I do have that I should be happy about in the meantime.Oh, right because desires, especially ones like sexual intercourse, seem to be a pretty tough one to overcome for many (except you, because you are an asexual god who puts his energies in all these productive and godly things, unlike that nasty sex stuff that the rabble-bachus-lovers are bitching on about :-} ). — schopenhauer1
:s okay so? It's possible to watch even porn which is a lot more vivid than just sounds, and not feel aroused by it.I don't know if you ever heard people having some good sex before (if they are not faking) but, I hear it can be titillating (for the depraved that is, not the asexual godly-types such as yourself ;)) — schopenhauer1
So what?! Why does it matter others are getting their preferences met and the listener isn't? Why is it such a big deal? Is the world all about you?! Envy is a poison that just ruins your soul and makes you unable to enjoy what you already have based on your lack of things.Anyways, the point was really a metaphor for the fact that THEY are getting some, and the listener is not. — schopenhauer1
Well no, I actually kinda know most people live in this way of seeing things, and have a permanently low self esteem. But that's not the only way to live life.I know that is hard for you to believe, being that you are far superior than the depraved rabble. — schopenhauer1
Yep. Still not a big deal. I too "suffer" from not having that (at least yet) - but - no big deal.If average throw-away sex is only just so good, the limited amount of good relationship-sex (if your theory is correct) is even that much more limited, as good relationships themselves between two romantic lovers is even harder to find. Thus, it is that much more unequally distributed. — schopenhauer1
:-}Yep. — schopenhauer1
I do want sex provided it is in those circumstances that I mentioned (married relationship, with the right person who loves me and I love her). It is a bit frustrating that that's hard to get, but not the end of the world man. Some self esteem is in order. There's also a few other things that I want and that are somewhat painful because I don't have them, but that's life. I don't make a big deal out of it, there's also plenty that I do have that I should be happy about in the meantime. — Agustino
Then there are people who may just settle for very little, slowly purging the sexual impulses with age, accepting that solo life with friends may be acceptable in their golden years without being encumbered. — schopenhauer1
The male beetle apparently gets so sex-frenzied that he forgets about the value of a living mate and aims simply to deposit his seed. — darthbarracuda
Nature doesn't actually have "species", we put that label on things that are similar enough to each other and have a similar genetic history. — darthbarracuda
The semen males produce in sexual climax includes chemicals that keep sperm alive, not only in the vaginal environment of the female but in the overall "bonding" of females to males (despite the fact that the cause of death for women is disproportionately men), as well as inclusion of "sub-lethal" pathogens that keep a female alive but in a non-reproductive state. We can call this a neutral adaptation, a positive reproductive reinforcement, or we can call this brainwashing, mind-control. Once again it's not wrong to call it mind-control, but it goes against the desire for a neutral description of phenomena. — darthbarracuda
Yeah so what? I don't seem to be troubled by the fact others eat more icecream than I do, why should I be troubled by the fact that others have more sex than me? — Agustino
My point is correcting the false things you've been saying about me for no reason:Good for you man. You realize you are supremely self righteous and arrogant sounding right now. Your point is what? — schopenhauer1
(except you, because you are an asexual god who puts his energies in all these productive and godly things, unlike that nasty sex stuff that the rabble-bachus-lovers are bitching on about :-} ). — schopenhauer1
I never started talking about myself until that point.(for the depraved that is, not the asexual godly-types such as yourself ;)) — schopenhauer1
I don't think I have superior powers.It was not about the superior powers of Agustino. — schopenhauer1
If you limited yourself to our culture, probably. But that's because we're (as a culture) obsessed with sex to begin with, and have an abnormally inflated desire for it.I am not saying it's so bad to be debilitating simply that it is one of the most aggressively negative desires due to the dissatisfaction it may cause. — schopenhauer1
Not really - marriage has been a much more important "drama" in the story of humanity than sex. Don't forget that in the past many of the marriages were also arranged by the family, so many people simply had to marry whoever they were told to marry, and had little choice in it. Furthermore, amongst the ruling class, marriage was always problematic, because rulers were often not able to marry who they wanted, but had to marry who it was strategic for them to marry - effectively their birth didn't allow them to experience and share true love.The pursuit, sustaining, the drama is a large part of humanity and shows up in almost all literature starting with the earliest tales, epics, and poems. — schopenhauer1
:-! >:OBecause, Agustino, it's your Christian duty to contribute to the supply of happiness, and every man has to do his share. The truth is, you are contributing less sex to the common good than most men. We want you to gird up your loins, get out there, and fuck your brains out like everybody else. It is simply unacceptable that some people should die in want of satisfactory orgasms while others are sitting on the sidelines nattering on about Epicureans.
Given your self-acknowledged physical fitness and business acumen, you are assigned a donated orgasm quota of 10 orgasms per week. Please, no complains. Men your age should be able to produce 14 to 21 orgasms a week in their partners. If you need more incentive, one of our agents can visit you and provide all the incentives you could possibly desire. You should not be with the same partner all the time. Spread the wealth, don't pile it up in one place. (Do we need to say your orgasms do not count against your quota?) — Bitter Crank
Not really - marriage has been a much more important "drama" in the story of humanity than sex. — Agustino
I don't think I have superior powers. — Agustino
What you don't realise is that significantly more fundamental than the desire for sex has been the desire for one's other half - for lack of better words. That desire, whether consciously or unconsciously, has played a much more fundamental role in people's lives than the desire for just sex. Indeed, the desire for just sex is quite possibly that which comes on the scene only when that first desire is frustrated by whatever occurrences and repressed. Indeed, the desire for just sex is the desire for union with the beloved repressed. That's why the most promiscuous people tend to be those who have been most disappointed in love. — Agustino
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