If that can be explained in a causal framework then it restores the idea that probability reflects a lack of knowledge about the world, it's not fundamental. — Andrew M
well if you accept that the universe is not causally closed, the whole problem goes away. But apparently that is too high a price. — Wayfarer
Probability can still be baked in the universe even with a causal interpretation. The cause may be inherently probabilistic, which is one of the possible interpretations of the Bohm quantum potential initial conditions. Hence, the reason Bohm suggested that his interpretation is causal yet non-deterministic. — Rich
If that can be explained in a causal framework then it restores the idea that probability reflects a lack of knowledge about the world, it's not fundamental. — Andrew M
That is, is reality causally closed (recast as the Principle of Sufficient Reason rather than in physical terms)? — Andrew M
when talking of observers and measurements, we then have to grant that it is the Universe itself which is doing this — apokrisis
The "modest" understanding of that has been the good old dualistic story that it is all in the individual mind of a human observer. — apokrisis
as maths, many worlds is fine. It has to be as it is just ordinary quantum formalism with the addition of thermodynamical constraint - exactly the decoherent informational view I advocate.
But it gets squirmy when Interpretation tries to speak about the metaphysics. If people start thinking of literal new worlds arising, that's crazy. — apokrisis
Do you think those basic engineering problems - that may be insurmountable if we want to scale up a circuit design in any reasonable fashion - are going to be helped by a metaphysical claim about the existence of many worlds? — apokrisis
The multiplicity of universes, according to Deutsch, turns out to be the key to achieving a new worldview, one which synthesizes the theories of evolution, computation, and knowledge with quantum physics. Considered jointly, these four strands of explanation reveal a unified fabric of reality that is both objective and comprehensible, the subject of this daring, challenging book. The Fabric of Reality explains and connects many topics at the leading edge of current research and thinking, such as quantum computers (which work by effectively collaborating with their counterparts in other universes).
Reading through the reader reviews of that title, it seems Deutsch gives pretty short shrift to anyone who doubts the actual reality of parallel universes, which he seems to think is necessary for the concept to actually work. — Wayfarer
He, like myself, can't accept the idea of 'parallel universes', but the point I'm trying to make is that it is an inevitable consequence of Everett's 'relative state formulation', like it or not. So, let's move on. — Wayfarer
Unless it collapses back into another singularity, and then expands again. Guess we'll have to wait and see ;-) — Wayfarer
Of course we now have to account for dark energy. And again - in my view - decoherence is the best hope of that. Because quantum level uncertainty can only be constrained, not eliminated, then that means that the fabric of spacetime is going to have a built-in negative pressure. It is going to have a zero-point energy that causes quantum-scale "creep". — apokrisis
I am sure many members are awaiting breathlessly for the v final verdict on what will happen billions and billions of years from now as science refines it's calculations. — Rich
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