Could millions be liars and or delusional and or themselves persuaded before its first conversion into data? Maybe, but assume not. Could you say (and I haven't looked into this) the same about those who claim to be born again, saved by the holy spirit (speaking in tongues, muscle spasms, new outlook etc) or those who claim Satori etc? Or visitations/alien viewings? — ENOAH
What if there might be other explanations for the consistencies besides that the claims are factual? — ENOAH
How can I know that the experience that I'm having (or remember having) is a near death experience? — jkop
↪Philosophim I'm not sure what you mean by fully brain-dead. People have had these experiences when there is no measurable brain activity. — Sam26
They have also been reported with the blood completely drained from their brains. — Sam26
Besides what matters are their reports while claiming to be outside their bodies, and that these reports have been corroborated thousands and thousands of times which adds an objective component to the testimonials. — Sam26
I never referred to these experiences as after-death experiences, those are your words, not mine.
To say that "...there is no evidence of life after death" is just an expression of an opinion. — Sam26
Incorrect. Cite me a case in which a person had complete brain death and I'll recant. — Philosophim
They have also been reported with the blood completely drained from their brains.
— Sam26
This is again, impossible. To completely drain the blood from a brain you would have to completely drain the blood from the body. Again, cite this case please. — Philosophim
No. It is a cold and unerring fact. First, we can cite the complete lack of objective evidence. There has never been any signs of life after something has died. Second, we can cite the objective evidence of how the brain functions, and how it ties to people's personalities and ability to function in the world. Years of drug studies and brain surgery have demonstrated that you are your brain. There is no other alternative. — Philosophim
Years of drug studies and brain surgery have demonstrated that you are your brain. There is no other alternative. — Philosophim
I'll ask you one more time, what do you mean by complete brain death? — Sam26
This is a well documented case, here is one of many videos on this NDE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k — Sam26
First, what you're claiming is not an unerring fact. Just because someone claims something is factual doesn't make it so. — Sam26
Many thousands of NDE testimonials have been corroborated by doctors, nurses, friends, and family. If someone claims to see something at T1 and others corroborate that claim, then it's objective testimonial evidence, period. — Sam26
There is no other alternative, what a silly statement, and an arrogant one too. Many scientists dispute this — Sam26
You make too much of the definition. People who have had NDEs have not experienced brain decomposition (clearly a point of no return), and the absence of measurable brain activity does not imply there is NO brain activity.When I speak of death, I mean clinical death, i.e., no measurable brain activity, no heartbeat, and no breathing. — Sam26
Because there is no life after death. It is purely an emotional desire people want to believe in. — Philosophim
How can I know that the experience that I'm having (or remember having) is a near death experience?
— jkop
If you had an NDE it wouldn't be something that easily forgotten. Moreover, you would know based on what others have reported and comparing your experience with theirs.
Just listen to this NDE, it may answer your questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZfaPCwjguk
— Sam26
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