• Philosophim
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    While I hear this argument as strong, it is actually not all that clear and decisive imo. Your analogy between radiowaves and consciousness(waves?) doesn't hold very well at all.AmadeusD

    I did not mean to state it as a fact, just a separate consideration before we jump onto the idea that we're only correlating.

    It's also quite fun, so I really appreciate you making a thorough response in good faith there. Unsure why Sam got upset tbh.AmadeusD

    I appreciate it, I was unsure myself.
  • wonderer1
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    I think this is a little bit of a red herring when it comes to theorizing in teh way we do here (or, philosophy in general). I think if the theory has no knock-downs, we can hold unparsimonious theories. They just shouldn't take precedence. But, the "brain-as-receiver" theory is as old as time and has some explanatory power so I like that it's not being written off.AmadeusD

    Do you have the conscious experience of homunculusly controlling a meat puppet through some sort of communication channel? If so, what do the controls (that homunculus-you uses to control meat puppet-you) looks like?

    Are they red?
  • Relativist
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    I think this is a little bit of a red herring when it comes to theorizing in teh way we do here (or, philosophy in general). I think if the theory has no knock-downs, we can hold unparsimonious theories...AmadeusD
    This seems to suggest that it's OK to believe any theory that isn't provably false. That may not be what you meant, because you followed with:

    ...They just shouldn't take precedence.
    What does it mean to "hold" a theory, but not have it take precedence?

    My view: a theory can only be rationally held if it is arguably the "best explanation" -i.e. the product of abductive reasoning. Even so, that is often too low a bar to compel belief in it (and the sort of abductive reasoning we do will be unavoidably subjective).
  • wonderer1
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    :up: :up: Of course.
    :grin:
  • AmadeusD
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    just a separate consideration before we jump onto the idea that we're only correlatingPhilosophim

    Fair enough mate :)

    Do you have the conscious experience of homunculusly controlling a meat puppet through some sort of communication channel? If so, what do the controls (that homunculus-you uses to control meat puppet-you) looks like?wonderer1

    1. Yes;
    2. Choices.

    This answers nought. Sometimes those choices appear Red to me. This also doesn't answer anything ;)

    This seems to suggest that it's OK to believe any theory that isn't provably false.Relativist

    No. "believe" is doing a huge amount of speculative assumption here. I did not intend, nor did I (best I can tell) intimate that i even considered this aspect of the issue as relevant. Belief is not relevant here.

    What does it mean to "hold" a theory, but not have it take precedence?Relativist

    Entertain it. Don't write it off (this also, best I can tell, a pretty clear inference from my post - I said it outright at the end). Let it explain what it can for those who want to play with it until it doesn't. Not your circus.

    a theory can only be rationally held if it is arguably the "best explanation"Relativist

    In areas where we have no good ones(or at least satisfactory)? Bollocks. Entertain all comers.

    Even so, that is often too low a bar to compel belief in itRelativist

    Luckily, I made no attempt to even intimate 'belief' in what I was trying to say. Apologies if this post comes off combative - I feel words were put in my mouth.
  • wonderer1
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    This answers nought. Sometimes those choices appear Red to me. This also doesn't answer anything ;)AmadeusD

    It wasn't intended to answer anything. Just provide food for thought.
  • Relativist
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    I made no attempt to even intimate 'belief' in what I was trying to say. Apologies if this post comes off combative - I feel words were put in my mouth.AmadeusD
    I was simply asking for clarification of what you meant, because I had not drawn the "clear inference" you thought I should. I think I understand now. Sorry to bother you.
  • AmadeusD
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    Fair enough!

    Sorry to bother you.Relativist

    Not at all! I was far more concerned that my reply would come off bothering to you :P
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