Well, that's the thesis of the series, so that leaves us nowhere to go. — Banno
Yes and yes. — Banno
http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/pattee/The brain is full of knowledge that may appear unrelated to any immediate useful action, construction, or control. Nevertheless, this high level of information is what forms our models, our value systems, our aesthetics, and our world view from which we ultimately derive our goals, decisions, and actions. It is certainly not meaningless. This problem of delayed meaning arises because of the apparent total lack of intrinsic connection between the time and place where we acquire new information and the time and place where it is selected or when we decide to use it in our actions and efforts to control. In physical jargon this arbitrariness in time scale or lack of any definable temporal relation between events is called incoherence. In linguistics jargon it is called displacement. It is this temporal arbitrariness that is one reason semiotic control is difficult to incorporate into physical models or any dynamic formalism where time or sequence defines the next-state transition.
AH! Cheers....displacement... is the separation of the model from the world it seeks to regulate. — apokrisis
In another sense, "the map is not the territory" is quite problematic. — Banno
If you don't get the irreducibly triadic structure of a sign relation, you haven't yet got it at all. — apokrisis
Take a look at the Pizza thought experiment. — Banno
But let's cut out all the feigned shock and horror. The epistemic cut is perfectly straight-forward. — apokrisis
A source mentioned before.
http://www.nybooks.com/topics/on-consciousness/ — Banno
I couldn’t even begin to untangle the misconceptions in all that. — apokrisis
The epistemic cut is perfectly straight-forward. — apokrisis
In another sense, "the map is not the territory" is quite problematic. In order to use a map one must understand the little crosses and lines as being buildings and roads and stuff. — Banno
Take the map/territory example. These two are both objects, so there is no epistemic cut between these two. — Metaphysician Undercover
In order to use a map one must understand the little crosses and lines as being buildings and roads and stuff. — Banno
Banno gets this, but refuses to address the issue of what is a principle. — Metaphysician Undercover
I recall reading in Russell the assertion that once something has happened it remains forever true that it has happened, and even that it is true now and forever that whatever will happen in the future will happen in the future. — Janus
All this seems logical enough; but the troubling question is as to what such timeless truths really consist in beyond our thinking of them. If they consist in nothing beyond our thinking of them then they are not really timeless at all, because our thinking is a temporal event. If they consist in something beyond our thinking of them, then what could that be but some eternal logical 'substance', universal mind, or God? — Janus
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