You’re feeding a troll, Tim.

Foreign meddling, ladies and gentleman.

Indeed. I keep reminding myself of my Christmas wish, ‘Brexit is abandoned, Trump impeached.’ :wink:

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-09-24-2019/index.html

This “impeachment inquiry” (another phrase enters the political lexicon; Trump supporters will say “coup”) will be very interesting.

If what Pelosi and other Democrats allege is true, they probably have a case. Unfortunately, it’s on the basis of a complaint they have not yet seen describing a call they do not know. It’s nuts, and I’m surprised Pelosi agreed with it.

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Is this a hostage situation or what?

This was my argument:

“We’ll see if the calls for impeachment and treason were legit or straight DNC propaganda.”

I merely merely had to link to the video of Pelosi calling for impeachment. We’ll see if it’s legit or “straight DNC propaganda” in due time. My evidence will be the transcript of Trump’s phone call. What will be yours?

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It's sad to say but unfortunately the transcripts will probably be doctored up. Very reminiscent of the Watergate situation where Nixon doctored up transcripts.

But when the tape came out, that's when Nixon resigned.

By the way I'm a moderate independent.

He admitted it publicly.

But why is the US giving military support to Ukraine in the first place?

When Flint, MI hasn't had a drinkable water supply in some years now?

China needs to become the global policeman so the US can decline into a state of sanity.

...sure. It's all about where the priorities are... .

The official reason though is that it's apparently cheaper to give aid to that Soviet Union-bordering country than to fight wars, boots on the ground, and other aggression, etc...

And yes everyone in the global community needs to do their part. The problem is he apparently mixed partisan election politics.

It's unfortunately laughable since now he is part of the undrainable Swamp Team.

We need more Moderates in our political and religious institutions!

According to Schiff, Trump didn't ask Ukraine to find evidence of wrongdoing but to manufacture it (although I'm not clear how he would know this). That's a strong accusation. The whistleblower is apparently going to speak to Congress this week, so let's see what comes from that. If it's true perhaps enough Senate Republicans would vote to have him removed after all.

Yeah, good point. In the absence of a tape, it's the whistle blower and his boss' ( who ironically was appointed by trump) testimony that will likely be more persuasive.

So, the White House released a transcript of the call, in which Trump specifically asks the president of Ukraine to do him a "favour" and restart investigations. He then specifically mentions Biden and his son.

4D chess or just stupid?

Here’s the transcript.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

They are attempting to impeach the president over nothing.

Compare the conversation to the unmitigated fantasies of the DNC.

Straight DNC propaganda..

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Can’t take it, can you Timmy? That’s the cognitive dissonance boiling in your brain. You’re finally finding out you’ve been lied to. Get on the right side of history, pal, there is plenty of room here. It might do you some good.

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I think it's probably time for him to step down, no?

If you look at it objectively, the minuses are now beginning to outweigh the positives.

The GOP should try for a moderate republican instead...yes?

I think it's probably time for him to step down, no?

If you look at it objectively, the minuses are now beginning to outweigh the positives.

The GOP should try for a moderate republican instead...yes?

Absolutely not. A moderate republican will be like every other: a war hawk, social conservative type like the Vice President or Romney. The Dems are unelectable.

The GOP should try for a moderate republican instead...yes? — 3017amen

They should try for one that has more sense than God gave a doorknob.

Do you consider yourself a far-right white nationalist, or a far-right religious fundamentalist, or otherwise an extremist?

(The reason I ask is that a lot of folks from his base seem to be those kinds of people.)

Do you consider yourself a far-right white nationalist, or a far-right religious fundamentalist, or otherwise an extremist?

(The reason I ask is that a lot of folks from his base seem to be those kinds of people.)

No, and that’s another unmitigated fantasy. The so-called “base” includes people from all walks of life, even registered Democrats.

Can you answer the question? ( What are you?)

Can you answer the question? ( What are you?)

I did answer the question.

Why do you want to know what I am?

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You’ll get there Tim. The first step is the withdrawal. The lies and fantasy will release your mind soon enough. Stay strong.

The transcript is only part of a larger story. According to the transcript Trump says:

I heard you had a prosecutor who· was very·good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.

A lot of people are talking about Viktor Shokin, Ukraine’s prosecutor general., but most reports, including a push by the International Monetary Fund to investigate and prosecute those guilty of corruption, claim that Shokin did not do his job effectively. There is no substantive evidence that Shokin was fired, as Trump claims, to protect Biden or his son.

It is clear that Trump ordered almost $400 million in military aid to the Ukraine to be withheld. It is also clear that Trump has told conflicting stories about why he did this and that these stories do not match the facts.

Of course Trump's defenders want to pretend that the transcript is evidence that Trump did nothing wrong and once again declare the case is closed. It is not. Just what the impeachment investigation will uncover is an open question, one that Trump is doing everything he can to block from seeing the light of day.

According to the transcript the favor was actually regarding “the server” which I suspect is the Hacked DNC server, which for some reason is in Ukraine. Attorney General Barr and numerous investigations are getting to the bottom of how the Russian hoax started, and that the DNC server is in Ukraine is troubling to say the least.

He mentioned Biden only in passing, despite the claims of democrats. Hunter Biden, who had zero experience in the energy sector and was just then dishonorably discharged from the military for smoking crack, landed a $50,000 a month gig on the board of a Ukrainian company right after Biden became the point man there. The same happened in China. Elder Biden started working with the Chinese, son get’s massive deal shortly after. It’s something worth looking at.