↪Wayfarer To be honest, I think typical conservatives are better at divorcing people from subjects and will happily vote for a douche if that means they get what they want. So Trump's behaviour is totally irrelevant to them as it should be. It should've been irrelevant to Democrats as well. — Benkei

A given conservative may not like aspects of Donald Trump, but in what he says--and how he says it--they see something very likable. They may not have much in the way of health insurance, but they do believe in reducing the weight of the government. Millions of Americans have had a hard on to cut the federal budget ever since there was a federal budget. They may be losing ground economically, but they don't see taxation as a tool of the 1% used against them. So when Trump flails away about cutting taxes, they like that.

The average conservative probably does not want to see the police gunning down every demonstrator marching for civil rights, safer streets, civil protection, a just economy (etc, etc, etc,) but they don't like seeing black people marching in large numbers; they don't want to see high school students demanding environmental protection. Why should that half-assed 17 year old be judging me for driving a SUV? There is a lot of stuff they just don't like at all, and Trump seems to be against what they are against,

There is nothing uniquely American about this. American politics are uniquely American, of course, but other countries have their own uniquely embarrassing practices and experiences.

I believe Biden is still on track to win but was really hoping for a more decisive vote.

It doesn't show "how much we're able to put up with", it just shows how divided our country is, which is no shock to anyone.

It shows how much they are willing to put up with to own the other side. Trump literally left his supporters out in the cold but they were still going to vote for him.

:eyes:

With a few caveats, as someone raised in a conservative American world, I think your comments are pretty close to the reality.

Fair enough. Not gaining the Senate is bad though that was always a toss up.

Eh? You're still making the argument that how close it is "shows" X right?

Damn, forget I said that. *Knocks on wood*

Given everything that happened in these past 4 years, the last year in particular, then yeah, I think the results are telling even if Biden wins.

Ok, fair enough.

Those 100,000,000 mail in ballots are not all counted yet -- it's a slower process than scanning ballots at a poling station. The suspense is awful.

Nice outfit. Who is the depressed person supposed to be?

I probably score high on "superstitious" when it comes to philosophy forum member questionaries. I'm embarrassed to say that not only do I trust my spidey-sense...it trusts me.

Me, us, everyone, idk

I can associate with the down feelings of the man in red. God, I just don't want to put up with another 4 years of that fucking asshole!

Hopefully Drumpf?

Anecdotal observations I suppose. It seems to mirror people's intuitions on "the end justifies the means".

Fair enough. I can offer more than anecdotal observations, if anyone is interested.

I certainly am.

To your point, the "typical conservatives" I know in the town where I grew up are not "good at divorcing people from subjects". They are very emotionally intelligent people. They comprise a very tight knit community of people who all have very similar values. As to "what they want", they want that tight knit community to remain in place. I don't agree with them politically, but this is the most balanced picture I can paint of them. <edited out the cheesy last sentence>

As I re-read the post I made, I realize this is anecdotal evidence, not "more than anecdotal". Oh well.

Lol. Trump just declared victory and told election officials to stop counting votes.

Moron.

Yeah, I was hoping for some research.

Sorry. I figure some actual anecdotal observations are better than musings from across the pond.

As if we don't have conservatives in the Netherlands.

And we will likely see increased public unrest no matter which way those votes fall. Also soon the SCOTUS will dismantle the ACA in the middle of an out of control pandemic in an economy that's collapsing without any of the much needed stimulus passing or having any hope of passing at this point. Like I said in the other election thread, the US is fucked and frankly the people deserve it.

Since it's the American election I just assumed we were talking about it.

Am I the only one who knows Biden is going to win? — Baden

I am reasonably confident that Biden will win the presidency, but much less confident that the Democrats will take control of the Senate, which IMO is a much bigger deal.