• javi2541997
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    Yeah, I agree. But I remember folks (who now voted for Trump) were always ranting on Biden's gaffes and bloopers; even Democrats threw out Biden for that reason. But it is hard to distinguish when they are ignorant about the world or just senile.
  • ssu
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    They won't surely do that when Trump has such moments. Oh no. And one thing is of course that many Trump supporters are ignorant about a lot of things. Why wouldn't those Spaniards be part of the BRICS-nations. Isn't the S there for Spain? :wink:

    Many won't notice the things the Trump says, just what "expanding our territory" sounds like to Panamanians. It's like George Bush invading Iraq and then claiming the it's a Crusade America is on. Al Qaeda had a field day with that gaffe.

    And the gaffes don't stop. Just like George W did two years ago confusing Putin's invasion of Ukraine with his invasion of Iraq, which is just hilarious!!!
  • NOS4A2
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    5 protesters died on January 6th. One, an unarmed woman, was ambushed and shot in the neck. Some have been languishing in prison for 4 years for what should have been simple misdemeanors. That’s not enough punishment for the anti-Trumpers, all of whom sang a different tune when entire cities were razed to the ground in 2020.
  • NOS4A2
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    And like that, racist affirmative action and DEI was ended in America. Another pernicious failure ended with the stroke of a pen.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-illegal-discrimination-and-restoring-merit-based-opportunity/
  • Mikie
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    entire cities were razedNOS4A2

    :rofl:
  • NOS4A2
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    Well, Trump has thrown down the gauntlet regarding Russia and Ukraine, threatening Russia with economic force if they do not stop.

    @realDonaldTrump
    I’m not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin - and this despite the Radical Left’s Russia, Russia, Russia HOAX. We must never forget that Russia helped us win the Second World War, losing almost 60,000,000 lives in the process. All of that being said, I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a “deal,” and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let’s get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with! We can do it the easy way, or the hard way - and the easy way is always better. It’s time to “MAKE A DEAL.” NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113872782548137314

    I personally doubt this will work, since such actions have already been tried, but Trump appears to be coming at it from a place of respect as opposed to that deep-state, media-derived hostility that’s been so common for years. We’ll see if it leads to more fruitful conversations.
  • bert1
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    That’s not enough punishment for the anti-Trumpers, all of whom sang a different tune when entire cities were razed to the ground in 2020.NOS4A2

    What happened? Do you mean in Africa?
  • 180 Proof
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    United States of Kakistan
    22January25

    No mercy ...


    Speaking truth to power: "Have mercy".
    https://www.democracynow.org/2025/1/22/bishop_budde
  • Relativist
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    Unsurprisingly, Trump has demanded an apology:

    "She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart," said Trump, adding that Budde didn’t mention that some migrants have come to the United States and killed people.

    His apparent logic: because some immigrants have killed people, no immigrants (nor LGBTQ) are worthy of empathy.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-inaugural-prayer-service-washington-national-cathedral-interfaith-a95b36f962be93c8647cc5144266da11
  • Mikie
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    She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smartRelativist

    :lol: God this guy has the communication skills of a 7th grader.
  • Relativist
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    And yet, I expect most of his supporters will agree with him. Because he has spoken.
  • Mikie
    6.9k


    No doubt. Granted, Biden sucked at communicating too, but that’s his age. I’ve looked at older videos of Trump talking — he was a little better, but basically the same. The mind of a 12 year old.
  • Relativist
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    In this case, Trump communicated his narcissism quite eloquently. ;-)
  • NOS4A2
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    I’m referring to the so-called George Floyd protests.
  • Relativist
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    And like that, racist affirmative action and DEI was ended in America. Another pernicious failure ended with the stroke of a pen.NOS4A2
    Is every aspect of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion bad? Could you please explain how it's been a failure?
  • AmadeusD
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    His apparent logic: because some immigrants have killed people, no immigrants (nor LGBTQ) are worthy of empathy.Relativist

    Are you able to quote something that indicates any of that? I couldn't care less for the guy, but he's been pretty clearly interested in illegal immigrants, no? As for LGBT...when has he said he has lack of empathy? I'm genuinely interested. These are fairly specific claims.
  • Christoffer
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    Could you please explain how it's been a failure?Relativist

    He can't because his a far-right ideological zealot who buys into the pseudo-intellectual narratives that's been spewed out by the rightwing influencers online for the past 10 years. We've seen a lot of people fall down into that hole. It's cult-like behavior.
  • Relativist
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    No doubt, but I'm curious to see if there's any deeper thought beyond the view that DEI oppresses the poor white race because it's kinda like affirmative action.
  • ssu
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    I personally doubt this will work, since such actions have already been triedNOS4A2
    I agree. Typically nations that are in peace might be vulnerable to sanctions, but a country that is transforming to a wartime economy doesn't care so much about it. They are already playing that game at a totally different cost level.

    60 million deaths in WW2? I thought it was more like 20-30 million.
  • Christoffer
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    No doubt, but I'm curious to see if there's any deeper thought beyond the view that DEI oppresses the poor white race because it's kinda like affirmative action.Relativist

    The narrative that's going to be presented is the kind of deep state bullshit or stuff like that about some group "trying to push DEI propaganda" as a form of destruction of traditional values. That it's some form of societal takeover by a certain "group" to infect every part of society with such propaganda. What this "group" is, what their reasons for doing so is, what it all means... anything of that sort, is left obscured. It's basically the same narrative as any racist who points towards a certain ethnic group to blame for whatever shit they find themselves in.

    It's even like "DEI" is just a name for something bad. It doesn't matter that it stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. It doesn't matter that most consider these terms as being morally good for society, that we include everyone and doesn't segregate out certain people, that we have diversity that is proven to be historically good for society in the long term and that we fight against inequality to balance society into better economic stability. It doesn't matter that much of the ideas behind these three words are Nobel prize-winning concepts about how to make society a better place for the majority of people living in it.

    No, "DEI" is just a three-letter word to these people, something "the other side" want to impose (without fully understanding the meaning behind it), and since the "other side" is doing it, it must be the work of the fucking antichrist and needs to be defeated.

    It's MAGA-cultist and brainwashed populist behavior; being pushed around like voting-cattle in order to form democratic wins for puppet masters who realized they can herd this stupid group of sheep into giving them power without having to care for any of the rational normal people out there. They just need to puppet a small group that can pivot elections enough for a win.

    "DEI" is just the next victim after "woke". Taking terms and words and turning them into rhetorical weapons to herd their stupid cattle around.
  • Relativist
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    Well, he's embraced the H-1B visa holders, so it's technically not *all* immigrants, but his intentions are broader than just pursuing undocumented immigrants.

    He has often attacked immigrants who are here legally with some protected status. Example: the Haitians who he told us "are eating the dogs". He's vowed to deport them (see: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-attacks-haitian-immigrants-have-stop-2024-09-13/).

    He's cancelled admissions for refugees previously approved for entering. (https://apnews.com/article/refugees-flights-trump-immigration-border-resettlement-33ebaa34bc4d0c069a22ee7aa5f8ff6d).

    He's indicated he will deport mixed-status families - which means deporting US citizens with family members who are undocumented. (This is one specific group the bishop asked Trump to have empathy for). https://www.axios.com/2024/12/08/trump-immigration-deportation-us-citizens

    He's claimed the 14th Amendment doesn't grant citizenship to anyone born in the US. https://apnews.com/article/birthright-citizenship-trump-executive-order-immigrants-fc7dd75ba1fb0a10f56b2a85b92dbe53

    In 2017, he tried to eliminate DACA: https://www.nilc.org/articles/supreme-court-overturns-trump-administrations-termination-of-daca/
  • NOS4A2
    9.5k


    Are you able to quote something that indicates any of that? I couldn't care less for the guy, but he's been pretty clearly interested in illegal immigrants, no? As for LGBT...when has he said he has lack of empathy? I'm genuinely interested. These are fairly specific claims.

    Of course, they’re lies. Get ready for 4 more years of them.
  • Relativist
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    See my response to @Amadeus.
  • NOS4A2
    9.5k


    Is every aspect of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion bad? Could you please explain how it's been a failure?

    It’s racist and sexist.
  • NOS4A2
    9.5k


    "She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart," said Trump, adding that Budde didn’t mention that some migrants have come to the United States and killed people.

    His apparent logic: because some immigrants have killed people, no immigrants (nor LGBTQ) are worthy of empathy.

    Versus what he actually said:

    She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people.

    So we’re back to straight up lying.
  • Relativist
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    How so? Remember that I asked specifically about all aspects of DEI, not affirmative action.

    When I worked for Exxon-Mobil as a supervisor I had to attend DEI training. I found it informative and eye-opening. There was nothing about it that was discriminatory to any groups, including the white people that you seem concerned about.
  • NOS4A2
    9.5k


    How so? Remember that I asked specifically about all aspects of DEI, not affirmative action.

    It requires you to factor in people’s race or gender or sexuality as a factor in how you treat people. Do you do that?
  • Relativist
    3k
    You identified no lie. I referred to "apparent logic' - I drew an inference. An incorrect inference is not a lie. If you think my inference was indeed incorrect, then explain Trump's negative reaction to the Bishop's comments - specifically her statement that the vast majority of them are 'not criminals' but rather “good neighbors," (which is absolutely true) - which tacitly acknowledges that there are some criminals. Is it reasonable to expect a Christian bishop to focus on the minority that are criminals to a man that routinely overstates the situation and almost never demonstrates empathy? Is there something wrong with preaching a value consistent with her faith?
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