Then what are you talking about? I don't want to miss your distinct conception of ideal by tilting half cocked at its shadowy eminence.

Initial contribution:

Ideal seems a very recent notion, stemming from the long tap root of Kant and corresponding to Kant's claim that you can because you ought to. Meaning, it is possible, since, what experiences have been made by humans up until now is no measure of what ought to be. In other words, although the mere word ideal has oft been used in connection to Plato, as translation, nothing like that appears in Plato.