This issue also concerns other "rights". It is not clear to me why people have a right to have children and where that right would come from and how it would be justified. — Andrew4Handel
And besides who even knew where the little squirts came from in the first place? — Baden
Controlling conception? Good luck with that. — tim wood
I'm wondering if overpopulation is inevitable — Lif3r
Maybe you could tell us how you define "right," — tim wood
in an ever-growing sea of purely formal juridical relations. No long mother and child playing in the garden, but rights — John Doe
It is an empathetic and not a legalistic mindset that refutes the right of people to have children along side personal experience of dysfunctional families.I can't think of any children's right movements inspired by legalism. — Andrew4Handel
The immediate notion that there's something insane or unhinged about my concern with preserving the simple pleasure of a mother playing with her daughter...like, WTF are you talking about — John Doe
Society does not function based on mothers playing with their children in the garden, rather on hard work, technology, exploitation,sacrifice and the like. — Andrew4Handel
So using some kind of irrational sentimental template to justify the rest of what reality consists of, the real non manipulative harsh reality(famine war, disease, blind chance) I find more than disturbing and not the least philosophical. — Andrew4Handel
It is not clear to me why people have a right to have children and where that right would come from and how it would be justified. — Andrew4Handel
We wouldn’t seek to impose restrictions on individuals (or individuals upon themselves) until we can supply the good reasons. — apokrisis
Many of us work hard, use technology and sacrifice on behalf of our children — John Doe
It concerns me deeply when you think you can reason about these matters of supreme importance — John Doe
Having a child is imposing on someone. — Andrew4Handel
By your reasoning I should be able to kill people until you make and argument that convinces me not to. — Andrew4Handel
It is not a sacrifice to take care of child that you created that did not ask to be born. It is like a masochistic imposition on yourself that you are portraying in the most sentimental unreasonable light that doesn't tally with historical evidence.
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The matter of supreme importance is child suffering and suffering and individual integrity not someones desire to enact yet another narcissistic fictional drama with the fruit of their loins where they feature as some kind of heroic self sacrificing benevolent life giver. — Andrew4Handel
Show me how MY reasoning leads to that. — apokrisis
So the default position is “why not?” We wouldn’t seek to impose restrictions on individuals (or individuals upon themselves) until we can supply the good reasons. — apokrisis
(a) simply refuse to recognize the potential joy and value of life — John Doe
Once there's a child, then there's a community responsibility. — tim wood
Finally, what responsibilities do you think parents have? — tim wood
I am discussing whether people are entitled to have children and not whether life has joy and value. — Andrew4Handel
You appear to be claiming that these things justify everyone having children. — Andrew4Handel
You can hold that life has joy in it with out claiming people are entitled to have children. — Andrew4Handel
If you think joy and pleasure count for having children then it would be consistent to recognise that things like, suffering, drug addiction, overpopulation count against people having children.[/i] — Andrew4Handel
You were saying people that try and monitor and manage the welfare of children are too analytic and contrasted this with a sentimental picture of motherhood which in no way helps children in need of an intervention. — Andrew4Handel
It is questionable sentimentality that seemed to be your only argument after you questionable depiction of those "analytically" concerned with child welfare. — Andrew4Handel
This really suggests having children can't be justified by reason only sentiment which is a suspicion I had already. — Andrew4Handel
No. I openly expressed a concern about the possibility that getting too excessive with rights-talk and the potentially resulting legal mandates will diminish the goods which parents and children can receive in a loving household — John Doe
No. I was expressing my concern that the excessive practice of rights-talk and reasoning about rights — John Doe
I feel passionately about child welfare and children's rights and there is nothing legalistic in my approach to that.
It also disturbs me that I could have a child if I wanted to despite no one knowing me or my capacities or dysfunctions. — Andrew4Handel
I think it is a problematic or unjustified stance to assert that people are entitled to have children. And if people had that right then don't they have equal responsibilities? — Andrew4Handel
Religion and unquestioned social norms ( — schopenhauer1
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