“…when reason can say no more.” But maybe not everyone wants to pursue more. — Michael Ossipoff
Which must include J R R Tolkien himself, who went to mass every day. — Wayfarer
there is no evidence strong enough to warrant belief in transubstantiation. — S
No Catholic ought ever to try and prove transubstantiation to be literally true. — Wayfarer
As I understand it, part of the articles of faith is that it is a miraculous process, which by definition requires no naturalistic warrant. — Wayfarer
Yes, because they'll inevitably fail. It would be a wild goose chase — S
I know this will fall on deaf ears, but the notion that such things require empirical evidence is a misunderstanding of the dynamics of faith. — Wayfarer
So many of these chats come down to what is fact, reason or faith. As an example.
You are standing at your front door about to open it.
You can not say at that moment in time it is a fact your spouse is not waiting on the other side
with a gun about to kill you.
You can by reason believe it to be true, that it is safe to open the door. You haven't done anything to warrant being killed by your spouse, you haven't had an argument - however spouses with similar reasoned arguments have been shot before.
So when you turn that knob - it is an act of faith. — Rank Amateur
You’ve been repeatedly saying that faith conflicts with reason. Alright, then share some of your reason with us. Tell us how reason contradicts all religion, all religious faith, all of whatever various meanings people mean when referring to God, or faith in God. — Michael Ossipoff
Philosophy is for thinkers, religious faith is for wishful thinkers. — S
Like say Aquinas? — Rank Amateur
Yeah it is. Why do you think otherwise? — S
Leaps of faith aren't reasonable. — S
They are by nature in conflict with reason. — S
Reason and faith are two categorically opposed ways of arriving at a belief — S
you can't have your cake and eat it. — S
You either use your capacity to reason to reach a conclusion or you disregard reason and take a leap of faith. — S
In the eyes of an intellectual with in interest in philosophy over religion, then faith should be viewed in a disparaging light. Faith is for the unthinking, for the uncritical, for those who do not care to examine, but want an easy answer to placate themselves. — S
Socrates said that the unexamined life is not worth living. — S
No one wants to touch on the subject of why God can't be all of existence. Everyone is too predisposed to the original definition of God. — Lif3r
You can't disprove the unobservable. — MountainDwarf
You think I just believe because? You don't even know me. — MountainDwarf
Define leap of faith. — MountainDwarf
So you're saying you put your faith in reason? — MountainDwarf
I do it all the time. — MountainDwarf
That is, until someone gives you a reason to believe. — MountainDwarf
And Nietzsche went crazy, I wonder why. — MountainDwarf
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